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Monday, April 21, 2008

Salmond's Top 20


After Alex Salmond's breathtakingly amazing speech at the weekend (I've not actually seen it yet but I'm sure it justifies such praise), I thought I would look into his objective of winning 20 seats at the next Westminster election, expected to be held around this time next year.

Researching the various seats and the chances that the SNP candidates possess in these constituencies takes me back to the joys of pontificating on the Holyrood election last year. I think it's time the SNP Tactical Voting cranked up a gear and dug into the boundary changes and candidate assessment a bit more so watch this space.

For now though, here is how the SNP can reach this magical number of 20 seats:

Already in the bag

The SNP currently hold 6 seats at Westminster. Alex Salmond (Banff and Buchan), Angus Robertson (Moray), Stewart Hosie (Dundee East), Michael Weir (Angus), Pete Wishart (Perth) and Angus MacNeil (Western Isles) make up the rather male looking line-up. I think it's safe to say that these wins will be replicated with increased majorities at the next election, so that's 6 in the bag.

The marginals

The SNP are lying in a distant 4th in a surprisingly high number of Westminster seats across Scotland but thankfully there are plenty of seats where they are banging on the door of the incumbent in 2nd or 3rd place and with only a small number of votes to make up.

I think I should add at this point that the Lib Dems were the protest party in 2005, particularly in Scotland with the immensely likeable Charlie Kennedy at the helm (I suspect Nick Clegg will have less of an effect up here). So if the SNP continue their impressive run for the next year, and Labour continues to flap around wildly, I would fully expect the Nationalists to get the alternative vote from disillusioned Labour voters and those who are unable to back the government but don't want to vote Tory. In other words, expect large swings from Lib Dem to SNP and small swings from Labour to SNP.

The remaining 14 seats will have to come from a mix of seats where SNP are 2nd, 3rd and 4th with a bit of emphasis placed on the Lib Dem swings to the SNP, my best estimate is that these seats would (will!) be the following:

Ochil - A current Labour majority of 688 over SNP with Gordon Banks the sitting MP. The strong 3rd-place finish of Liz Smith for the Tories makes this a bit trickier but it should still be easy meat for the SNP. Annabelle Ewing stood in 2005 and I expect would do so again.

Dundee West - A great win for the SNP in Holyrood could easily be replicated here, though they wouldn't have local favourite Joe Fitzpatrick standing this time. The Labour incumbent is James McGovern and he has a 45% to 30% lead over the SNP as it currently stands. I still reckon it would go SNP's way, especially as the SNP already hold the West of the city and won here so convincingly in the Holyrood elections.

Aberdeen North - Frank Doran is the incumbent Labour MP here and the SNP and Lib Dems basically tied for 2nd. (In other words, the SNP came 3rd but not by much!). Given the Lib Dems were so strong in 2005 due to their Iraq War stance and the SNP were relatively weak, I would expect large swathes of Labour and Lib Dem voters to move to the SNP, particularly as the north is one of their heartlands. The strength of Frank Doran's local popularity may well be a factor but, currently, I cannot legislate for this. I would expect the SNP to field a strong candidate in this constituency.

Kilmarnock and Loudon - Des Browne, the Defence Minister (and sometimes the Scottish Minister) is the MP here. He does have a convincing 8,700 majority but SNP won this same area at a cantor at Holyrood so there could be a scare here for Des. Increased fury at a never-ending Iraq War could well spell the end of Des Browne MP.

Gordon - Alex Salmond's constituency as an MSP will surely hold a lot of sway with the voters when it comes to Westminster. Currently held by the Lib Dems' Malcolm Bruce, I can envisage a large enough swing for the eminently thoughtful Scots and Independent superstar Richard Thompson winning this seat for the SNP.

Linlithgow - This one would have to go SNP if the Nationalists are to get their 20. Deaspite the 11,000 majority enjoyed by the Labour incumbent Michael Connarty, what concerns me more is the Lib Dem challenge of Stephen Glenn who, going by his blog, has a tireless approach to getting the Lib Dem vote out here. Again, a strong SNP candidate should be able to challenge. And win.


So that's part one of where I think the SNP will get their 20 seats. 6 in the bag and 6 pinched from Labour/Lib Dems. My reason for doing this in two parts is not a sign of my lacking confidence or struggling to find another 8 seats but merely that a lunchbreak only goes so far here and I'll have to work out the rest later.

There are still plenty of seats left where the SNP are sitting in 2nd place and, consequently, have more than a fair chance of winning and the above seats don't really cover the true SNP heartlands in their entirety where I am sure the SNP can coast to victory too.


So I'll be back soon to finish off the Top 20 with the last 8. For now, any disagreements or scoffing over my thoughts, then by all means make them public in the comments field...

11 comments:

Stephen Glenn said...

As for Linlithgow the Nats do have a stronger candidate IMHO than last time in Tam Smith. However, as Fiona Hyslop was unable to wrest this seat away from Mary Mulligan last May there would still be a lot of work to be done. I think your best bet would be a strong Lib Dem and strong Nat challenge however Michael is exceedingly poular and not a straight Labour yes man which is probably somewhat to his advantage here.

Jeff said...

Yeah, I seemed to remember the name Michael Connarty and I had guessed it was from checking the 'rebel' (that is, 'doing the right thing') Labour voting list.

As an SNP-voter I have the same problem in Edinburgh North and Leith as Mark Lazarowicz (Labour) seems to make the right calls at voting time and I'm sure he'll win his seat again no worries at all.

Despite Calum Cashley's best efforts otherwise of course.

Thanks for the name of Tam Smith, I need to get a lot more info on the current candidates.

But I think, rather than a strong Lib Dem challenge, the best bet in terms of Livingston is for you to embrace the tactical voting ethos and step down from standing altogether to allow the SNP to beat Labour in a straight shoot-out.

Or am I better off looking out for a blue moon that a pig has just flown over? ;)

Stephen Glenn said...

Well let me see giving the Labour dissenters no choice bar the Tory or a Nationalist, you'd also be assuming all the Lib Dem vote would go NAt as if it would. ;-)

Stephen Glenn said...

Plus in Livingston we fought hard in that by election to avoid the squeeze.

Ideas of Civilisation said...

To be honest Jeff, I was surprised by the First Minister's statement.

I presume the 20-seat target is based on polling and such like that the SNP have access to.

Nevertheless 20 seats seems a massive amount in a Westminster election, given the voting system.

As your analysis shows they actually have a HUGE job to do, including coming from 3rd or 4th in certain seats. I really don't see that happening but am of course ready to proven wrong.

I do wonder if this is an example of making a statement now which could hurt later on. The SNP are still doing well in government and the polls.

However in two years (when the election could be) they will have been in government three years and may be having a slightly harder time. At that point if they fail to get 20 seats this could be portrayed in the media as an example of a decline in popularity.

This would a year before the next Scottish election. If you add that to other problems that governments naturally face (events, dear boy...) then this could actually be part of a momentum which builds that says the SNP are not unbeatable and universally popular.

The SNP are good at playing the momentum game. If they win the 20 seats then the next Scottish election will be won too. But if they don't win the 20, it raises questions about Holyrood too.

Jeff said...

The beauty of the statement is that, even if they get it wrong and only get 19 MPs (ok, or maybe they'll get a lowly 12), then the charge that will be levelled at them is being too optimistic.

And it is that same optimism that is permeating through to society and providing the unmistakable feel-good factor about Scottish life right now so it's a win-win factor.

Another consideration is the chance you are overplaying how memorable this line will be in 2 years time. Politics seems to have a short attention span and not many people take as much notice as we do so I suspect you're making more of it than need be.

For me personally, to be honest, I'm playing lip service to the 20 seats for now. Westminster elections are of course a different kettle of fish to Holyrood and with the next election sure to be a very close 2-horse race between Labour and Tory, SNP may well get frozen out.

A vote for SNP may be seen as effectively a vote for Tory if it means helping them get into power.

And we saw what happened to the greens as the SNP sucked in all the list votes. The reverse could happen to the SNP this time with Labour doing the sucking.

That said, we're in unchartered waters now. Yes SNP routinely finish 3rd and 4th in Westminster elections but then, they've never had such a public pulpit to show what they can do with responsibility. And it's almost beyond question that they've done a good job (though as I mention above, some people inexplicably disagree!)

Another beauty of this is, until the election is held, I can predict and estimate until my little heart is content ;)

Iain Rubie Dale said...

Personally I can't see the SNP hitting their 20 seat target. For my full analysis I would refer you to my post on the subject at:
http://anything-caron-can-do.blogspot.com/2008/04/eck-in-fantasyland.html
Do try and ignore my slightly inflamatory language and concentrate on the facts which I've highlighted. Also do not underestimate the possibility of some form of Tory revival but I suspect we will all be glad if Labour take a kicking in Scotland especially as they have been treting the country as a private fiefdom for far too long. Interesting poll in this mornings Guardian too.

Jeff said...

Thanks Iain, I have belatedly linked to your page.

Your rationale should stack up in theory, but as I say in your comments, I think the overall conclusion that the SNP can only get 8 seats with 31% of the vote, while the Lib Dems can get 15 seats with 12%, is way wide of the mark.

Also, I think you have a very long way to go before your language can be described as inflammatory so i wouldn't worry about it.

Off to look at this Guardian poll now (and I've just realised I might regret hanging that 12% around your neck if you've now shot up to the mid-20s!)

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Stephen Glenn said...

The rationale behind what Iain has said and posted is that to some extent the Nats in Scotland face the same problem as the Lib Dems face across the UK.

Our vote UK wide is fairly evenly spread, however there are areas of Scotland which because of the extra party we are more of a black hole than battling over 3rd and 4h etc.

the SNP vote in Scotland is fairly evenly spread. Therefore as Iain posted on his entry regarding the swings required you'd need that to be fairly universal, especially as you are looking to pick up 14 extra seats from a base of 4. The Lib Dem and Tory seats are more easily acheived from a strong starting point of 2nd as picking up the protest.

Admittedly some Nat gains in May were from 3rd place, most notably the First Minister himself. But for Westminster you haven't got the same essence of a protest party who can make a change or enable a change of Government.

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