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Sunday, May 3, 2009

Labour MPs out then in?

The recent System 3/TNS poll (that probably passed you by) has the SNP a mere 4% behind Labour in the Westminster vote. I could envisage the SNP storming ahead just as easily as I could envisage Labour opening up a bigger gap between now and 2010 but a 4% lead is all we have to go on for now.

The figures break down as follows:

Labour - 36%
SNP - 32%
Tory - 19%
Lib Dem - 9% (9%!!)
Greens < 4%

Applying this split of the vote to the 58 Scottish seats (relative to the 2005 vote) would give an election result as follows:

Labour - 35
SNP - 14
Tories - 7
Lib Dem - 2

Labour scalps would include Frank Doran, James McGovern, Nigel Griffiths, Gordon Banks and Des Browne. A result that would delight a curious mix of SNP fans and All Women Shortlist proponents, though perhaps not in equal measure.

One key question is this though, would former MPs such as the above wait another 4 or 5 years to seek re-election to Westminster or would they change their focus to Holyrood? Being responsible for Defence and the Environment is all well and good but perhaps being on the Health & Sport Committee or working on the Flood Risk Management bill is where it's at for politicians on their way out of London.

Labour have the unique and impressively fair system where candidates who stand in First Past the Post seats do not seek election simultaneously on the party lists. That is currently under review within the Labour party (a separate post in its own right) but assuming the approach continues, it throws up an interesting scenario.

Westminster middleweights and lightweights could pretty easily boss their way to the top of the Holyrood regional lists in advance of May 2011.

Would local Labour members vote Des Browne to the top of the party's Central list or John Pentland as they did for 2007? How about Frank Doran over Richard Baker in North East? Or Nigel Griffiths over Carol Fox/Kezia Dugdale in Lothians? Gordon Banks over John Park in Mid Scotland and Fife?

It's an intriguing scenario. And the higher the SNP climb in the Westminster polling intentions the more likely current Labour MPs will lose their seats and these quandaries will crop up.

Note also that it's not specifically a Labour concern. The Lib Dems can expect a bit of a decimation next year and Malcolm Bruce, Michael Moore and Jo Swinson could well be MSPs by the time 2011 is out, perhaps squeezing out established constituency candidates Nora Radcliffe, Euan Robson and Cathy McInnes.

The potential for party infighting is huge. We've seen how Labour has the potential to implode over subjects as wide ranging as postal votes and All Women Shortlists, but if the long fuse of a slowly sizzling Westminster/Holyrood power struggle finally ignites, then the scope for the Labour gloves coming well and truly off is enormous.

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

Jeff

If Labour MPs were to stand at Holyrood after being kicked out at Westminster, we could ask them all sorts of interesting questions. Here are a few to start.

How did you vote on post office closures?

How did you vote on doubling the starting rate of tax to 29p?

How did you vote on the Gurkhas?

How did you vote on disclosure of expenses?

There is still Iraq, Polaris etc still to come. Happy days.

Dubbyside.

Montague Burton said...

Is that the poll that was tucked away on page 15 in the Sunday Herald as part of the Jim Telfer gives £100,000 to the Tories story?

Jeff said...

That'll be the one Montague, yes.

Page 15, which means that stories on 'Plane Stupid' and "Winehouse leaves hospital after scare" were given greater prominence.

Makes you proud hey? ;-)

Will said...

For the record, this actually worked for David Stewart (well, with the help of Maureen MacMillan's decision to stand down and Alasdair Morrison losing the Western Isles, anyway). However, Iain Luke stood in Dundee East at Holyrood having lost the Westminster seat but didn't succeed. And with the selection rules protecting sitting MSPs Marlyn Glen and Richard Baker, the highest he could have expected on the North East List is third place, which wouldn't have been enough...

Jeff said...

Cheers for that Will. I was going to look back to see if anything like it had happened before but decided that, given how few gains the SNP made in 2005 (if any?) then it would be less likely to happen before one year hence.

That and the fact that my kitchen won't paint itself!

Will said...

Well, there were hardly any changes at all in 2001: no one lost their seat who wasn't standing down anyway, and in 2005 it was the Boundary Changes that provided the most casualties and most of them ended up in the Lords (and George Foulkes, of course, ended up in both the Lords and Holyrood!). Aside from Foulkes, Stewart and Luke (one of the two SNP gains), Annabelle Ewing (who lost to Gordon Banks) tried to win Falkirk East in 2007 and is trying to win Ochil & South Perthshire again, Peter Duncan (who lost to Russell Brown) won a seat on Dumfries & Galloway Council in 2007 (that must be a bit of a comedown, really) and will be trying a comeback to Westminster next time, while John Lyons (lost to Jo Swinson) and Calum Macdonald (who lost his seat to the SNP as well) sank without trace.

Now get back to the painting!

The Basa said...

Nice Post. Thanks.

dyma_ni said...

Does this mean that you think the quality or popularity of MPs is higher than that of MSP's and it would be relatively easy for former MPs to dislodge sitting MSP's from their constituency seats or top of the list spots?

Jeff said...

dyma,

Yes, that's pretty much it. They have a recognition that gives them a strong advantage over many prospective list MSPs who will be less well known across the entire region.

Also, the MPs' parliamentary experience would be a strong selling point to party members.