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Thursday, August 27, 2009

Full detail of Daily Mail/Al-Megrahi Poll

Well, the full detail of the Scotland-only 1,078 sample size poll from DailyMail/YouGov is now out and the Nationalists who were holding out for a silver lining after the initial bad news will perhaps not be best pleased.

The independence question was, as far as I can make out, identical to the question that Alex Salmond would happily have as part of a referendum.

For whatever reason be it RBS' and HBOS' remarkable fall from grace, the Al-Megrahi decision or recent attempts to redefine what Britishness is, the people of Scotland do not want to be independent.

28% in favour of independence compared with 57% against does not leave much wiggle room, even for a man of Salmond's indisputable talents.(32% say Alex is the best FM to Iain Gray's 12%)

As for voting intentions, we have:

Westminster

Labour - 33%
SNP - 25%
Tory - 19%
Lib Dem - 16%

I don't have my Westminster spreadsheet to translate this into seats but I don't think I need to say that the SNP would be miles away from getting their coveted 20 MPs with that national breakdown.

Per Electoral Calculus, it would be Lab - 38, Lib Dems - 11 (!), SNP - 7, Tory - 3.

Infact, only 4 Scottish seats would change hands in what would be the dullest of dull evenings for an election night. (Ochil, Edinburgh South, Dumfries & Galloway and *whisper it* Glasgow East)

"Were you up for Nigel Griffiths?" we could say. It's just not the same somehow (although if Grifftihs is a specific Tory target, does that make it a decapitation strategy or a castration one? Ouch.)

For Holyrood, we have:

Constituency vote:

SNP - 33%
Labour - 31%
Tory - 16%
Lib Dem - 16%

Regional vote:

Labour - 28%
SNP - 27%
Tory - 17%
Lib Dem - 15%
Greens - 6%

It would be another wafer-thin election between the SNP and Labour if it was held in the short term (not an impossibility with potential no-confidence motions looming) and the Greens remain on that nervy 6% threshold where they could finish with 10 MSPs or 2 MSPs if they finish up a percentage point or down respectively.

The Tories and the Lib Dems are in similar positions to 2007 so they would presumably be neither scared of nor incentivised by a potential snap election. Indeed, if Tavish and Iain could carve up a pre-election coalition deal, I would almost recommend they go for it.

On Megrahi, it's not all bad given the public perception is not too far off 50/50 at 42% for and 51% against. I say 'not all bad' but that's save for the fact that a fairly whopping 69% of people think that Scotland's reputation has diminished as a result of the Justice Secretary's decision. That stays at a high 50% amongst SNP voters alone.

So a fairly bad poll. It's not a body blow, merely a kick in the shins, and in a funny way the SNP Ministers may even perversely wear these polling results as a badge of honour.

Pleasing merely half of the people is the inevitable consequence that so often comes with being in power and having to take the hard decisions so as the dust settles and tempers cool a different picture is perhaps as likely to emerge as this picture remaining into the mid-term.

But is it just me, or did we unknowingly, unexpectedly and not a little bit unexcitedly just enter the 2011 election cycle...?


Game on.



EDIT: I don't tend to read the 'Political Party Identification' section of the poll but I did this time and noted it had 469 Labour members. That's from a total sample of 1,078 and equates to 44% of the population.

Given there are 18,800 Labour members in Scotland, 0.376% of the population, is this a whopper of bias in the poll or am I reading it wrong?

Crucially, there were 166 'Other' members noted (presumably mostly SNP) with 15,000 across Scotland.

So if 18,800 Labour members are represented by 469 sample individuals and 15,000 SNP members are represented by only 166 sample individuals, maybe this poll can be discarded as somewhat biased after all...? Or am I 'over-reaching'?


Anyway, I'm off to the Bloggers Meet. Cheers...!

14 comments:

David said...

The data is very dubious.
The SNP just in front of the Tories is in itself laughable.

I doubt Labour are going to be up suddenly up for a referendum on the basis of this poll. 'Bring it on' is still firmly 'Hold it off'.

Indy said...

Political party identification means what party the voter identrifies with most i.e. who they ususally vote for. We ask the same question canvassing.

The figure I find quite strange here is the small number of 'don't knows'.

I know they always use the question if there was an election tomorrow etc but even so it is a low proportion.

However I am quite unbothered hy the poll findings. Given that we have been international pariahs bringing shame on Scotland and succour to terrorism for the past week or so it could have been so much worse!

Jeanne Tomlin said...

"So if 18,800 Labour members are represented by 469 sample individuals and 15,000 SNP members are represented by only 166 sample individuals, maybe this poll can be discarded as somewhat biased after all...?"


Of course it's biased. It's so easy to "massage" poll results they should mostly be assumed to be biased until proven otherwise and this one obviously is.

Or am I 'over-reaching'?

No.

By the way, this opinion from an American which makes me, by law if nothing else, not an SNP supporter. As an interested observer, the willingness of some media to swallow the bias of the reporting agencies is fairly breath-taking.

Wardog said...

I suspect that the age profiles of voters will be crucial in any future referendum if the SNP are to be successful.

There is now doubt that the notion of self determination and the ability to converse directly with the world than through the filter of Westminster is an idea that will excite the young more so than the old, generally of-course.

Anonymous said...

With the state of the Labour party nationally you would think that the SNP would have had a bigger lead over Scottish Labour.

Jeanne Tomlin said...

"...you would think that the SNP would have had a bigger lead over Scottish Labour."

LOL Not in an obviously skewed poll. Look at the numbers of party members.

Montague Burton said...

Yep 1078 people asked - 658 identifying themselves with Unionist parties and you think the nationalists might not be best pleased.

Personally, as one of your nationalists, I'm cock-a-hoop. An incredibly difficult decision that could never be construed as a populist move has been treated with an adult approach despite the inherent media bias in Scotland.

I'm also intrigued that 29 people don't know which party they identify with. Were these people wearing a rubber ring, ski boots and a WW1 flying helmet?

Anonymous said...

To Wardog

"There is now doubt that the notion of self determination and the ability to converse directly with the world than through the filter of Westminster is an idea that will excite the young more so than the old, generally of-course."

Yes, probably, but that is not much use when you have an ageing population and a declining bithrate, especially whan youth is also inclined towards apathy.

Anonymous said...

Oh so dull - party idenification is what "political party do you identify with?", not membership of parties so stop using that as an excuse.

It is a perfectly valid poll - disasterous for SNP hardliners, worring for the gradualists, and actually very good for Labour. Lib Dems will be worried, Tories pleased.

Montague Burton said...

Anonymity induces ennui.

Wardog said...

Anon

I think it's the lack of apathy over a decision that means something that the unionists are afraid of.

Voting on the future of your nations to have a radical overhaul of democracy would be enough to shake many out of apathy.

Jeff said...

Thanks for putting me right Indy, still seems a high Labour proportion even if it's not members.

Anonymous said...

While the Lawyers and middle classes chat around the dinner table about how good it would be to be Scottish and independent.
The working classes worry about putting food on the table, their children’s education and paying the mortgage.
Yet the middle classes do not understand their concerns because they are too indulged in their own dreams

James said...

And yes, 6% is properly squeaky territory for the Greens. I came to the same conclusion on the numbers.

Using the Weber Shandwick predictor, and using the SSP as the buffer (!), each percentage point in that area equates to two Green MSPs.