Back in the heady days of the Spring Conference I fell into a thoroughly engaging conversation with Alan Smart (of Aye We Can) on the future direction of Web 2.0 and the internet for Team SNP. I have been meaning to revisit this topic ever since and that day has now arrived. I'll say in advance that a lot of this post will stem from (or even directly lifted from) Alan's thoughts back then.
The Conservative Party is clearly winning the political online war with a concerted effort in getting their message out through the broadband cables and wireless dongles. Perhaps the strong scent of power is concentrating minds or maybe being of a righter-wing persuasion just makes you better at such things but they are streets ahead of the rest.
When the hiring of Samuel Coates as the face and brains of the Tories' web and blog operations is news in itself and the likes of Tim Montgomerie and Paul Staines are political household names you know that online politics has moved up to a new level of influence. I don't think I need to say anything about the blogging behemoth that is Iain Dale whose wide-reaching and well-deserved reputation speaks for itself.
Despite the Tories being ahead, Labour have hardly been slouches in the area of Web 2.0. Say what you like about Derek Draper (and most of us have) but he left an impressive legacy in the shape of Labour List with a relatively brief set-up period at his disposal. Experienced Labour Cabinet ministers rubbing shoulders with spotty Labour activists as they share their ideas about the best way forward for the party has been a masterful success and will no doubt come into its own in boosting morale and maintaining enthusiasm levels in the run up to May 2010.
The leaflet stuffers of today are the party leaders of tomorrow and Labour have ensured a steady stream of talent is being stacked onto the conveyor belt for the next generation by keeping them entertained and enthused online. How many Yousuf Hamids, Kezia Dugdales, Wes Streetings or Jo Swinsons would have chucked it by now and went off to chase the greenback as a management consultant if they thought they were on their own in the political wilderness?
In Scotland, the picture is notably different with no one party fully grasping the potential of Web 2.0 as a campaign tool and a talent breeding ground. Perhaps money is even scarcer up here, perhaps there just isn't the same enthusiasm as down south or perhaps the 59 Scottish Westminster seats, control of Holyrood and an independent/unionist nation are not motivating enough factors for our Scottish parties, as the prize of Westminster clearly is for their UK counterparts.
When it comes to online warfare, for a party that likes to look back with misty eyes at the likes of Bannockburn and Culloden, the SNP are barely on the battlefield.
It's all very well having your party leader invited to dinner with the Prime Minister and pushing hard for an equal platform in any TV debates that may be on the horizon but true parity with the main parties comes from having an equally robust structural design beneath you bursting with energised activists. A canvasser in Arbroath will be more likely to get out there and knock doors if he or she can come home afterwards and read about the exploits of a like-minded leafletter in Inverness.
The main party website is decent but probably long overdue a facelift. From what I remember, the members section has space for blogs and comments but generally just twists in the breeze with infrequent scatter-shot posts from faceless (and often even nameless) members. At least the addition of this function at the website's inception suggests that someone, somewhere has concluded that an active online presence propelled daily at a grassroots level would be a positive boost for the party's energy levels and general morale. However, there's only so far that the rat-a-tat-tat rapid succession of HQ press releases can do to fire up the troops.
The website aside, the two operations that could most closely pass for an 'SNP Home' or a ' Nationalist List' medium are the Scots Independent newspaper and the Destination website.
Scots and Independent
This newspaper is a great read and truly deserves a wider readership. The font and presentation may make it look like it comes from a library's centuries-old archive rather than it being a dynamic, modern publication but there is an impressive spectrum of SNP voices who contribute to each monthly edition, not to mention reflective, consistently engaging content.
Perhaps its presentation can often be the newspaper equivalent of a shortbread tin and consequently the paper will struggle to reach out beyond the core SNP membership but it has battled on admirably for a long time now, longer than many would have predicted I daresay.
In terms of the newspaper (or its sister website) becoming an 'SNP Home' of sorts, there is of course a valid concern that it is preaching to the converted though if that serves to further galvanise a party then there is nothing particularly wrong with that.
In the print format however, there are obvious barriers to a dynamic, free-flowing debate that would engage and enthuse. Reading the paper silently in your home does not create the sense of 'togetherness' nor spark the activation energy that the likes of LabourList and ConservativeHome have achieved.
Destination
Destination is a thoroughly impressive site. The content is engaging, intelligent and wide-ranging. Crucially, each article has depth which along with the editorial team's persistence, has ensured the site's survival. Even the colourful presentation is a strong feather in its cap as it is an immediate indication that the website is slick and created with details in mind.
However, the distinct lack of comments and 2-way exchange is a drawback as it arguably makes the site far too 'safe'. And the fact that it is updated every few months is of course the main reason why it is not currently a real candidate for a website for SNP members to coalesce around on a regular basis.
Of the two, if the SNP ever wanted to go down the road of Conservative Home or Labour List or Lib Dem Voice, then I reckon Destination has the preferable template. Opening up the tight knit band of contributors to a wider pool and adding extra space for constituency information, policy debate and PPC personality profiles would mean it would be pretty much there in terms of weighty appeal.
Of course, all of the above is based on the wobbly premise that an advancement in the SNP's online presence is required. Perhaps the loose, informal array of 'nat pack' bloggers as is the status quo is as good as it should ever get. Anything too centralised or too formal may well harm the very essence of what Web 2.0 typically achieves at its optimum.
After all, even if we may have to wait for Iain Dale's top 40 lists to confirm this, there is little doubt that pro-SNP (or at least sympathetic-SNP) bloggers are running the Scottish blogosphere table at the moment in a similar way to how the Tories are bossing the UK scene. Indeed, the lop-sidedness of it all is so much so that I hope the balance shifts dramatically in the near future with a Scottish Tory or Scottish Labour resurgency. The Lib Dems, to be fair, are very well served with numerous highly capable internet scribes, though they do share in the SNP's suffering of not having a well-known personality, an MP or MSP for example, to drive the whole blogging hierarchy forward with them.
As much as I agree that if nothing's particularly wrong then don't fix it, I just wonder if the SNP could step it up a little bit with those higher up the food chain taking a lead. Tom Harris, Alastair Campbell and John Redwood have shown how it can be done and although there are occasional MSP bloggers in Anne McLaughlin and Jamie Hepburn and potential MP bloggers in Richard Thomson, Julie Hepburn and Osama Saeed, more surely can be wrung from the potential that cyberspace offers.
John Prescott certainly sees that potential. He stood in front of a packed room at the last Labour Conference and championed blogging and online campaigning as the future, that Labour needed to embrace this new style of canvassing and not look back. The former Deputy Prime Minister said activists had a duty to "get up to speed with it all" and he has led from the front with Go Fourth.
If 'JP' is correct, who would lead the SNP charge? Mike Russell would make a great figurehead for an internet presence and I personally think Nicola Sturgeon would prove highly popular if she extended her persona to the web, not that she isn't busy enough already of course. There is a big team of nationalist list MSPs who, let's be honest, won't exactly be rushed off their feet with workoad and could lead the charge. There must be someone highly visible and suitably technologically whizzy in the party's ranks that can pick up the Web 2.0 ball and run with it during either the 2010 or 2011 election campaign.
In the 2007 election the SNP were praised for their use of the internet in the election campaign but from what I saw that amounted to a few YouTube videos and relying on word of mouth and email forwards to do the rest. The virtual world has changed even since then and I'm not convinced that the Facebooks, the Twitters, the blogs and the web at large has been embraced as fully as it should be. People are moving online in their droves and in theory it is free to reach them and involves less time and frustration than tramping around street corners on a frosty winter's evening.
If the wise and learned individuals in the media and political circles are correct that future elections will be fought more and more online then I reckon it will pay to prepare for that eventuality as early as possible and the SNP are slipping behind in front of our very eyes.
The SNP grassroots has 'got what it takes' so maybe 'it's time' to bring SNP Home home, with a dot sco domain name too of course.
Anyway, they are my thoughts on the matter, hopefully readers will wish to share their own...?
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Could this be the SNP's McLuhan moment, Jeff?
If so, we have to remember that McLuhan was bang on - the medium is the message. What message to we want to get across?
Do we want a site that preaches to the converted? On the one hand, it'd be a good place for SNP supporters to exchange ideas and information, and to have a respectful debate on different issues. On the other hand, comments from the headbanger element would work their way into other blogs, Diary columns and eventually the MSM as a whole for an easy hit against the SNP and nationalism (remember that some of the wackier Scotsman comments do enable SU to walk up to the barrel, pick up his rifle and bag himself a couple of fish suppers). And if disagreement spills over into a row (as can happen in all parties), what then? How do we respond to that?
Do we want a site that reaches out to the undecideds? If so, how do we strike the balance between keeping the site accessible to interested non-supporters and not appearing insipid and on-message? Can a balance be struck? How do we do that?
Or, do we just want a focal point for SNP bloggers, an aggregator/directory writ large - let's call it SNPblogs.com, for example - that would be looser, but wouldn't avoid some editorial questions: how would SNPblogs.com deal with an 'embarrassing' blog, for instance?
Basically, whichever road we go down, it comes to the same questions in the end: what is the editorial policy? How do we deal we debate? How do we balance more fundamentalist (note the small-f) viewpoints with a need to attract undecideds who would be more tempted by a moderate case? What do we do when a line is crossed?
Then there's the personality question: a preach-to-the-converted site would probably benefit from a big internal name getting on board, but not necessarily a current blogger (John Mason, perhaps?); an attract-new-support site would need a wider, more senior figure with name recognition. A meet-and-greet SNPblogs site wouldn't necessarily need either, but it would require a larger fringe presence for bloggers - various entries on Caron and Stephen's blogs suggest that the LibDems (at least at Federal level) have a possible model for action.
TBH, those are just half-formed, early reaction thoughts. Here's a more concrete one. We need to move quickly if we're going to do this. Assuming a 2010 election, we have until Conference to get a concrete proposal (or proposals) out there; we need a forum at Conference to discuss the full ins and outs, and to finalise things; we have then to implement things, ready for a launch date of 1 January 2010: that's a good time to get things started, it's also a decent enough run up so that the site is in full swing by the time a General Election is called.
We have time to get this right, but not much...
This is very interesting (and doesn't concern me at all of course!) on a slightly seperate note a comment on a post I wrote today referred me to Alan's Youtube site and I have to say some of his videos are brilliant.
And I remember watching his 'best wee numpty' video at the time of the 07 election and every activist I know saw it.
I don't think it actually won any votes but it conveyed a message very nicely.
A more cringeworthy name for it - and that, after all, is surely what matters in a glammy title - would simply be Nationalist, no?
Jeff
The person who is tailor made for this is David Kerr.
Win or lose the by-election he would be a win win situation for the SNP leading this.
His writing would be good, and any videos he made would be very professional.
Jeff, I've thought about this idea myself in the past and right now I worry more about what we might lose rather than what we gain.
Despite certain Unionist conspiracy theories, we currently lack centralised organisation on the web - and long may that continue. If we were to get organised the last thing we need is something that is simply a communication vehicle for central party PR - Labour's internal communications from the early 90s onwards have been unthinking, corporate styled, bland propoganda - we don't want that. On the other hand we don't want to attract every cybernutter in Scotland...
The question is therefore, is the status quo pretty good? We debate, we critise where we feel it is right and in general we are free to do so without damaging the party that we support...
Hi Jeff
Thanks for the kind comments about destiNation. I would like to publish it more frequently, but time is the main constraint. Trying to juggle work with my Westminster campaign takes up most of my time, so destiNation is published when I have manage to fit it in!
I agree that it would be great to generate more discussion through the site. I have tried to encourage comments, and article submissions – but from the feedback I’ve had, people seem quite content just to read it and absorb the content. I know that some SNP branches forward on information about destiNation to members, but I don’t know how much discussion it generates in the non-cyber world.
Although I am obviously an SNP member, and most contributors are SNP, destiNation is completely independent of the party. I think this is a strength, because it means people can develop ideas that aren’t necessarily party policy. And I think it also allows me to open up the site to contributions from non-SNP members too.
To be honest, I am quite relaxed about how destiNation evolves and open to any ideas for improvement. I think we have a good foundation on which to build at some point in the future when I have a bit more time. I’m hoping that the latter half of my maternity leave may provide that opportunity! Although I’m sure most mums would tell me otherwise ;o)
As with blogging, I find there just aren’t enough hours in the day to pack in everything that I want to do.
Cheers,
Julie (editor of destiNation)
Is this a cry for one nationalist site along the lines of conservativehome, labourlist or libdem voice? Too late in the day to start looking to build a site covering independence and along the lines of the above unless of course, someone comes along with an open cheque book and a list of willing MP, MSP regular contributors.
Julie at destiNation has it about right, but as she says she is restricted by time.
The SNP website is poor. So often on UK blogs I have seen adverse comments about it and contacted them to update information, only to have no feedback. I've no idea how many hits it receives every day but I should think the numbers are considerable, because many people want to be informed about Scotland and how we see life after independence. As the official site is so un-user friendly I doubt visitors stay long.
You continually praise Iain Dale Jeff, but let's not forget, he started blogging long before most of us and therefore created a niche for himself, firstly as a blogger and secondly as a Tory blogger. If he started today he would be just another blogger, a good one yes, but not necessarily always top in the rankings.
There are plenty independence supporting blogs which do create comment and debate so what really are you suggesting? As Will put it do you want a site that preaches to the converted? I don't see that would be of any benefit.
We cannot allow the desire for independence to become an online Scottish club and if we must have another site it must reach out beyond the borders of Scotland. Only in that way would debate be enhanced.
After all that, I'm with LotL here, although a revamp of the official website is absolutely essential.
Surely you have enough material for your conference discussion now? :)
Jeff, I can offer "scottishnationalist.eu", it was a pet project but I'd be happy to offer it up for something along the lines that your talking about.
This would certainly need to be outwith party control though.
Creating a personality led one-stop-blog-shop is not the one size fits all answer.
We delude ourselves in believing that everyone reads these internets. The vast majority of those who vote, do not blawg let alone have internet access.
Look at your own branch memberships to see how many have email. Of those that do, how often do they read them?
In order to win Independence we take care of our base and target soft Labour and the great undecided's, we do this through activate and consistent street campaigns.
I prefer the loose, organic flow we have at the moment where our piece of the Internet resembles Scotland's many voices, where we hone our arguments and there is room for the once in a lifetime blogger and the every twenty minutes voice desperate to be read.
Why not register scotnat.eu?
Then I could siphon off accidental visitors to www.scotnat.com.
Muhahaha! ;-)
Jeff,
Unfortunately those in charge of the SNP (the administrative rather than political leaders) are an extremely complacent bunch.
I think they think that because they have Activate (which is undoubtedly a class apart as a campaigning tool) they are ahead of the game in all things online.
I have even heard it said that these people think they are 'streets' ahead of Obama's use of online resources. Ignorance is bliss!!!
So, it's going to take someone from outside the higher echelons to get on with this and find the funding for it.
If it is left to those who think they know, you are in for one big disappointment.
:-(
Thanks for all comments, sadly little time here to reply properly but I agree with the sentiment that the status quo works fine but looking around at other parties getting a bit more organised I just thought I'd throw SNP Home up the flagpole to see if anyone saluted it. (Apologies for the crap business chat there) Some excellent 'business risks' from Will and a warning of the effort required from Julie. Also, i agree that it may throw up more divisions than would be expected. Even still, perhaps a steering group of sorts shall emerge from Autumn Conference which isn't so far off now...
Jeff
No mater what the final outcome of this debate is, the issue needed raising, and I thank you for letting us cover it.
Do you or any of your bloggers know how the debate can be brought forward with the upper echelons of the SNP? Are they really complacent about their systems as one reply inferred? and if so how can they be moved out of their comfort zone?
On reflection, something that I am not usually guilty of, I tend to agree with the posters who think that it would be better if any better organized site was kept at arms length from the party. Just imagine the articles in the Scotsman if it wasn't.
I am afraid I would go ape-shit if SNP HQ put any resources into a centralised blog. It would be a complete waste of time and distract from campaigning.
The SNP has the most advanced online campaign tool of any of the parties in activate. Labour are nowhere near that yet.
But it’s a campaigning tool not a forum for debate. Incidentally no-one in the SNP thinks we are streets ahead of the Obama campaign - we use the same technology but they were light years ahead in recruiting activists. Over half of the activists in the Obama campaign had never been involved in a campaign before. That is the main challenge facing the SNP (as with Labour) but you do NOT recruit new activists by blogging online - no-one reading the crazies on the Scotsman would decide they wanted to get involved would they? You recruit most of them face to face by knocking on their door or phoning them up with a targeted supporter/membership drive. In order to know who they are (or are likely to be) you need the information that comes from Voter ID.
When it comes to conversion, you are unlikely to win a single vote with anything you blog on because the people who read political sites online already have pretty fixed political opinions. Nobody will ever persuade me not to vote SNP and equally I am never going to persuade any unionists to vote SNP by arguing with them online.
At the same time as all this blogging goes on however, we must remember that the vast mass of the electorate are becoming increasingly disengaged from party politics. They simply have no interest in it.
Personal contact is the single most important factor in engaging their interest, in persuading someone to vote and, further, persuading them to get involved.
It's not often I agree with Hazel Blears but she was totally right about You-tube being a gimmick. There is no substitute for chapping doors - and there is no substitute for going to the pub afterwards. That can't be done online either!
Hello, Jeff, I haven't commented on your blog before, but I would like to suggest that people arguing SNP views are more valuable on non-SNP sites like newspapers.
Readers who agree with pro-independence comments beneath an article will at least see that they are not alone in their views which is very important. More generally, everyone can see that the paper's article is not the last word, especially useful if the article has read like a Labour press release.
I think the SNP has been here before, and those members involved learnt that rather than spreading new ideas and winning converts - such things have a tendency to naval gazing and not to connecting with the electorate. It's like an online giant branch meeting.
The electorate is not using online media as much as bloggers and new media gurus wish they were but it is an increasing part of the democratic picture. Though way behind newspapers and incredibly far behind TV as a medium for political communication.
Is a debate forum needed, I'm inclined to agree with others above that what is risked is a site where all those currently relegated to the SCotsman comments section - a sort of online gulag - would seek to dominate out of a need to feel they have big dicks, drowning out legitimate party discussion and engagement with voters and those open to the SNP.
Do we want people sitting at home on keyboards trying to convert people they will never see face to face to independence, or would you do more good on a doorstep. One of the most frequent comments in the recent despair over politics is that the voters only see politicians when they want something, politicians aren't accessible - online is one way of accessibility but it is a minority and exclusive way - perhaps our politicians, activists and others of all parties would be better seeking to enhance public engagement face to face - breaking the barrier between the public and their political parties in person, not hiding behind a screen - that really would put the SNP at the front of radical political reform - back to basics anyone....
Can we just tell the people who comment on the Scotsman that using the phrase 'ZaNu LieBore' 12 times per comment really does us no favours at all?
And neither does that self-important guy who signs off with a 'Yours Sincerely' and gives his name and a made up 'title'.
Yours Sincerely
Sean McGivern
Head of the Campaign for Decent Comments at Strathclyde University
Hi Colcannon, thanks for the comment, feel free to leave more of course. I see your point that sending a message inward would do little good as the message needs to be projected outward. But i reckon a lot of curious non-believers would still make their way to any SNP Home that were to exist and who knows what may inspire or influence them from then on. I would also argue that the site's main (though not sole) purpose would be to energise the base much like ConservativeHome. And on another point, successfully counterbalancing the tripe on the Scotsman with positive, intelligent, engaging, moderated, highly visible chat from the party's core will, I believe, decrease the likes of Scottish Unionist's chances of bagging himself those easy fish suppers. Or at least decrease their potency.
On another point, and this is where I'm probably very much in the minority as a party member, but there has been a consistent assumption that any website's overriding message would be too push independence pretty hard. I would have thought that our cup runneth over with sites such as Destination and National Conversation. I'd have thought that focussing on policies and personalities would be a better strategy, a divide and conquer approach to ensure as many quarters are catered for as possible. Some viewers may switch off if it's all independence but debate on LIT or the end of PFI or even just constituency 'gossip' could be fatter hooks.
Jeff, Good point - We're not a single issue party and we could be more successful in making that clear. Branch & constituency meetings rarely discuss independence - its pretty much a given! But we do focus in far more detail on local and national policy issues and I would really like to see us engaging better with the wider public and voters on those subjects.
I agree with the sentiment you have outlined. We should have an online presence as an antidote to the the anti-SNP media. It should be outward looking and for the general public and not soley for SNP members. We should move with the technology although not putting all our eggs in one basket. The new medium of the internet is a far cry from the 60' and 70's when people tend to accept the news as they received it and not challenged it as we can now. A portal for numerous blogs and sites could be a start.
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