Over at Conservative Home, Tim Montgomerie has written on why the Lisbon Treaty is David Cameron's number one headache.Tim points to a poll that says 55% of the British people wish to see a whole new referendum process in place to renegotiate Britain's wider relationship with the EU.
However, I reckon for as long as the Conservatives remain slightly more Eurosceptic than Labour, they can't lose on the question of Europe in a Westminster election. The Euro elections, of course, are a different matter with UKIP more of a potent force but the kingmaker 'Middle England' are too keen to vote out Brown to not vote for Cameron in May 2010.
So I reckon the massive Yes vote that Ireland has delivered this weekend is a bigger headache for Gordon Brown than it is for David Cameron.
For a start it ensures that Europe will dominate the agenda for the foreseeable future, not just the next few days, which admittedly will cause short-term problems for Cameron, as Eddie Barnes muses.
For months we will constantly be reminded that we were denied a referendum on the new constitution, as promised in Labour's manifesto. We will soon forget that Cameron found himself in a bit of a pickle some time in early October.
Furthermore, it looks likely that Tony Blair will be installed as the EU President, a move that I'm personally not uncomfortable with but it will surely unnerve Brown to see his old foe sitting higher up the food chain than he is. The ex-Prime Minister's elevated profile will help to show up how out of his depth the current Prime Minister sadly is, both in terms of style and substance.
Also, I can't imagine the British people will be too happy to be led by Tony Blair after it took his many detractors ten long years to get rid of him. The fact that he has returned unelected will just make it all the more tougher to take.
No, the questions surrounding the Lisbon Treaty are relatively easy to answer for David Cameron. He can't really go back on all the decisions he doesn't like from past Governments so I expect he won't take much of a hit to his popularity when he decides, as he surely will, to accept the ratified Treaty and move forward on that basis, going out of his way to tut and sigh as he says he'll just have to make the best of it with a heavy heart.
Anyone holding out for some sort of European referendum will be sorely disappointed.
So in a way, Tim Montgomerie and I could both be right. The Lisbon Treaty could be Cameron's biggest headache but still be worse for Brown. After all, with a strong double digit lead and the media on his side, it's not like Cameron is struggling to get to sleep at night.
As a further thought, just think if Labour had held their Autumn Conference before the Conservatives had held theirs back in 2007. Gordon would have received a bump in the polls, polls that were already highly favourable at the time, and he would have called a snap election instead of dithering over what the Conservatives' post-conference bump actually meant.
Had David Cameron won that election, which I reckon he would have, then we would have had a referendum on the EU constitution by now, it would have been rejected, there would have been no need for Ireland's 2nd referendum and Tony Blair would not currently be buying new pens for his new job as President of the EU.
We may even have been shaping up for an independence referendum by now too.
And people say that Party Conferences have no real impact on Politics!
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Do you not think that the Czechs will be able to scupper the Lisbon Treaty Jeff, either by refusing to sign it at all, or by delaying signing until we are rid of the madman Brown adn Cameron gives us a referedum?
To be honest Tris, no. I think the Czechs will ratify it relatively quickly.
Poland are due to ratify this week and I just can't see the Czechs holding out for 5 months.
Indeed, I think they've already made noises to the 'Yes' camp that they'll be onboard soon. There's a legal challenge but it shouldn't get in the way.
No, Lisbon is here to stay.
It will be comical to see Cameron attacked by the Tory right on this - I can't see him not ratifying Lisbon either, it'd be like Major and beef, both egged on by their backbenches. Not great leadership. But how he bites the bullet will be fascinating.
You're right on this one, I was pondering it earlier.
If Blair is grinning away as EU president in six months time or so(which I hope not) then Labour will get the blame.
I'm keen to see opinion mobilised against Blair on the European stage, and I won't be surprised if Germany and France gleefully dump him.
"The candidate whose nation doesn't want him" - what sort of message does that send?
http://tvotr.blogspot.com/2009/10/president-blair-how-to-stop-him.html
As you say its another example of the betrayals of Brown.
Much of middle England is more in the mood for a lynching than a general election.
That's one-one with the Irish. How about best of three and another next year?
Seriously though, why was there a referendum only one year after it was rejected in the first referendum?
This sort of thing, coupled with President Blair elect will make middle England very unhappy, and put pressure on Cameron not to ratify.
The Czech position is not that clearcut Jeff. They may not be able to hold out long enough for Cameron, but I do believe the Czech courts have to make a decision before the Czech President will consider accepting Lisbon.
now for a little antagonism.
cameron needs a scottish mandate to try and rail the snp in.
i expect a lot of effort in seats so they can get to 4 or 5 mp's and then getthe media to claim that such an outcome gives them a right to govern and rule from wastemonster with the same level of consultation holyrood got from cyclops.
if they have 1 or 2 seats there is little argument, but even with 10 seats they have not got a mandate.
too many toofs, too many lords by birth, too many heriditary mps and too little interest in what makes up 10% of the WHOLE country and probably less than 1% of their mp's even after the next election.
the scotsman may try to say that is a mandate, i disagree.
the tories should be going in hard at conference at liar blair and what he lied about over iraq, and the fact his crony held off giving a referendum so he could also become a high ranking pollie without being elected.
when was this carve up actually agreed?
no accident this referendum was shelved, blair was in charge when the manifesto was agreed, and now we know he wanted to rule not just the uk but the whole of europe.
was this for personal gain or for the good of the country? well it is blair so really based on precedent there is no doubt is there?
or did he suddenly think about it as an option last week when ireland was about to vote?
we are not fools, even if the irish clearly are after media manipulation, scaremongering, fear and negativity.
something the snp have been used to in previous referendums as well!
Jeff,
There seems to me to be an issue for the SNP too. In the sense that it is beyond their remit.
Either we argue that the Irish decision was right, which I think it was, and accept the European superstate, or walk away from the whole idea of that. This is damaging in both directions, I think. A few points off the polls?
Douglas,
An intriguing angle! I hadn't even thought of an SNP stance on this to be honest.
Given that (I would imagine) the vast majority of the public won't be thinking 'I wonder what Salmond makes of it all' which suggests there will be little damage, if any, in the polls.
But then again, even that glossing over the SNP in the people's minds (as it is beyond the Government's remit) is damaging in itself?
I agree with you that the Irish decision was, ultimately, the right one to take, it's just all been handled badly. So Salmond could perhaps come out in favour of the Lisbon Treaty and talk of his aspiration that one day Scotland would receive a referendum on such decisions. That could sit nicely with the independence ambitions and also sit pleasingly against Labour's reneged promise to hold a referendum?
Good point though. I can't see any SNP comment in the papers this morning but it'll be interesting to see if they are pushed for one by journalists.
BoT,
Isn't the crucial factor that Cameron won't have to ratify the Treaty because Brown has already done so?
It does look likely that a referendum on the EU will be campaigned for by the Tory right but I don't think it'll come to much.
We'll find out this morning on Andy Marr though. It's reached the point where Cameron can't very well say 'let's wait and see what the Czechs do'.
And after Brown/pills, we can be sure that Marr will try to draw blood.
Andrew,
You're right, it's not that clearcut. But I think, on balance, given they are the 27th of 27 countries to ratify, it's hard to imagine Lisbon not being fully ratified by the time May 6th comes around.
So the only real question for Cameron is, will he have a referendum on the wider question of Britain being in the EU at all.
He can't possibly sign up to that. Surely...
Jeff, may be nothing, but I noticed the SNP put up a news item yesterday ("Irish vote yes on Lisbon Treaty"). This appears on your blog list. I never clicked on it yesterday, but clicking on it today, and the page has been taken down.
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