There seem to be a lot of referendums around at the moment.
David Cameron this week announced he would hold a referendum on anything that moves in Europe, Ben Bradshaw believes not having a referendum on electoral reform would be a "missed opportunity" and there have been a few referendums on gay marriage in the USA (with an unfortunate but wholly expected result in Maine).
But it is the promise of never-endums on Europe and the Conservatives' general stance on the EU that I think deserves a closer look, particularly from a Scottish angle.
The Tory leader's decision not to hold a referendum on the wider question of the UK's relationship with the EU has horrified some members of his party with Dan Hannan mercifully exiting the scene (stage right, of course). Bizarrely, the lack of a referendum has encouraged Labour politicians to criticise the stance taken by Cameron.
Miliband's quote from yesterday (shown below) was eyebrow-raisingly childish for a man aiming to hold the prestigious office of 'High Representative' within the EU, not to mention hypocritical given his party's shocking U-Turn on an EU Referendum despite their 2005 manifesto commitment:
"British people now know what to expect when they hear a cast-iron guarantee from David Cameron on Europe: nothing.
"This is not about taking back powers from Europe; it is about transferring power to the Eurosceptics on his backbenches."
A bit petty I reckon, certainly from the Richard Baker book of political retorts rather than the reasoned, intelligent synopsis of one of our country's greatest minds, which a Foreign Secretary should ideally be.
In terms of what Cameron will do, I suspect the Sovereignty Bill will ultimately be as successful as the USA's much-maligned Patriot Act. Similarly knee-jerk, similarly over-reaching and similarly needlessly meddlesome.
The Tories are going to protect Britain's constitution from European influence seemingly irrespective of one tiny, insignificant detail - We don't actually have a constitution.
With this proposed Bill, there are unavoidable constitutional questions to be raised. How will the Scottish people (a relatively strong pro-EU bloc as poll after poll has shown) feel about a Tory Government with only a few MPs from Scotland bringing in a Sovereignty Bill that includes Scotland and makes us second class in Europe? On the outside looking in once again?
We should be driving the agenda in Europe not, as Eddie Izzard amusingly puts it, cleaning the windows. The British great and the good have this superior mindset where they think that if we don't get Blair in as EU President then we should at least get Miliband as High Representative, as a consolation prize. We used to rule the world don't you know.
We can't sit outside the Eurozone, have a ruling party in a mad, fringe, right-wing Parliament grouping and expect the EU to take us seriously. The current EU President, Sweden's Fredrik Reinfeldt, said: "I hope he (Cameron) will feel comfortable in working with other European leaders. He will need us. To address this issue he needs European leadership, not only British leadership." but it's patently not the case.
Cameron is distinctly uneasy about working with European leaders. You can barely fit a rizla between Reinfeldt and Cameron on domestic and foreign policy and yet their parties sit in separate European groupings, to the Tories' detriment. Such misguided logic regarding the EU is what we have to expect for perhaps a generation to come.
European solitude is the future we are headed towards under a Tory Government and Cameron's Sovereignty Bill will rubberstamp our pariah status within the EU.
Furthermore, if this Bill will ensure the primacy of Westminster, will there be an impact on Holyrood? It is necessary for the Scottish Parliament to be answerable to Westminster, that is the nature of devolution after all, but there is an opportunity here for Cameron to belittle the Scottish Parliament by artificially inflating the prestige of Westminster.
So what if the Scottish Government were to introduce its own variation of a Sovereignty Bill? Yes, a non-sovereign nation bringing in a sovereignty bill.
Crazy? Perhaps, but the State of Oklahoma has brought in exactly that, a Sovereignty Bill to fend off the unwanted reach of the Federal Government.
So what if the Scottish Government was to introduce a 'Claim of Right Bill', confirming that the Scottish Parliament would always consider the interests of the Scottish people "paramount". How could all 129 MSPs not sign up to such a notion? Gordon Brown has already signed up to it in 1989.
Wording of the Claim of Right includes:
We, gathered as the Scottish Constitutional Convention, do hereby acknowledge the sovereign right of the Scottish people to determine the form of Government best suited to their needs, and do hereby declare and pledge that in all our actions and deliberations their interests shall be paramount.
It would of course be a political ploy from the SNP to raise 'the sovereign right of the Scottish people' while Cameron is defending the 'UK rights of UK people'. But what a ploy. Nationalists would be seeking to exacerbate the West Lothian question, faint anti-Scottish grievance down south and also crucially make Scots think about how they want to be represented, at home and abroad, and by whom.
David Cameron passing a Sovereignty Bill when he does not have a satisfactory mandate to govern Scotland and is opposed by a Scottish Government that has a very different idea of how sovereignty should be will make for a very interesting scenario indeed.
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Very well put Jeff! Couldn't agree more. Especially as under Scots Law, Parliament isn't actually sovereign - the people of Scotland still are. They haven't - and won't - be electing a Tory Government, so how all this will sit is interesting...
Not only is this on shoddy ground under Scots Law, but do you really think it will be compatible with the European Treaties we've entered into? I'm not qualified enough to know that, but I'm sure someone will be.
I look forward to seeing how this agenda will fit into his "respect" for Scotland.
Cameron's Bill is, for the reasons you mention & others, a waste of paper. Its sole purpose is to give him a fig leaf for his total& complete lying.
Miliband is right that he is a liar but ignores the fact that Labour, the LibDems & SNP went into the last election with the exact same promise in their manifestos & as soon as the election was over showed they were lying. The SNP may have a minor get out in that they didn't control Westminster but they could have held a Scottish referendum, which would have made them popular, made Scots proud of their government & made the average Englishman proud of us too. Had the alleged belief in referendums on independence ben a matter of principle with the SNP rather than a corrupt political gimmick, from a party which is actually totally opposed to independence they would have jumped at it.
Though the question of our being subsumed in a European oligarchy is a vital one it is less importanct than the question this raises about our alleged democracy.
We now know for a fact that there are no circumstances under which any promise, statement or "aspiration" made by any of these 4 parties can ever be in any way trusted. All of them are wholly & completely corruptconspiring to impose a fascist dictatorship, devoid of all choice, on us. Nobody with any self respect can vote for these corrupt, lying, theiving, murdering, fascist war criminals.
Neil Craid, the SNP was supposed to go out and "hold a referendum" with no mandate from Holyrood to do so?
And exactly HOW would that work?
The SNP are the government in Hollyrood. With the Conservatives & Greens, both of whom were committed to a referendum you would have had a majority for one. You would probably have got a few LibDem votes as well because some members in Westminster had rebelled against being told to break their manifesto promise. Knowing the LD seeing how the wind was blowing they might all have come over.
It only required the SNP to propose it. It is even quite likely that having done so these parties would have found it difficult to oppose your referendum on alleged "independence". It only required the SNP to actually believe in what they promised.
I had to read that a couple of times - I am a bear of very little brain - but it looks to me like a pretty brilliant strategy.
The question that ought to be put to the Scottish people over the following:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/05/david-cameron-europe-plan-doomed
is:
"Is that what we want?"
NB: An endorsement from this source is probably not a good thing. May contain nuts.
Absolutely outstanding post Jeff. Gave me much to think about. Any opportunity for a "Claim of Right" amendment to Cast Iron Cameron's bill? Shows how differently the Scots view sovereignty too. Tremendous. MJ
lot of sense here, it needs to be discussed more widely.
Yep, we are well on the way to being thrown out of of the UK without a vote. Fantastic.
Neil Craig, you are actually proposing that the SNP has based its existence for more than a half a century on something that it doesn't even believe on and that has gotten it gotten beaten up during that entire time by unionist parties. I'm sorry but that is absurd.
You are "demanding" that the SNP do something stupid and bring their essential point up in such a way as to guarantee it fails. Not to surprisingly they'll ignore that demand.
However, I want to point out something that should be brought up on this blog: (not sure if a tags work but I'll try one to The Herald story which is, I think an important one)
Labour to Rip Off Glasgow
Glasgow to London East Coast trains to be axed
That the SNP_ do not want independence from the EU but only separation from England is not something whi8ch can rationally be disputed.
I am only "suggesting" that the SNP would have been wiser as well as more honourable to have made an attempt to keep their manifesto promise of a referendum.
PS Separation would virtually certainly guarantee that no Westminster government would put up something like £20 billion to extend that railway beyond Manchester. Good thing too.
Brilliant post Jeff.
Not much to add, except that only a few short months ago, didn't Mr Cameron tell us that there could be no constitutional change during the first Tory government. This because all the effort and time would be needd to clear up the mess Brown had left.
Oh, and one other thing. Milliband as High Representative is beyond funny. This little twerp is even more embarrassing than Prince Philip. At least Philip is an in-bred old man and thus ignorable.
Milliband has gone around the world looking like a schoolboy and insulting just about everyone. Even Mandleson had to apologise to the Indian Prime Minister for his rudeness.
The job (his current and the one he hopes to get) are about diplomacy. Not a word I would have in the same sentence as Milliband, unless the word oxymoron was also in close proximity.
I look forward to a referendum on the sovereignty bill, and a good look at the Scottish vote.
Again, great post.
That would be an interesting card to play... possably during a General Election campaign where your campaign is based on how "The Union" is failing Scotland.
Thanks for the kind words folks. Was away for a long weekend so wanted the blogging embargo to start on a high. Looks like I just about pulled it off, if I say so myself!
Good old Oklahoma (and Milan, where I've been for the past 2 days)
Ciao!
(5am, Luton Airport, on my way to work (bizarrely) and perhaps the grimmest, grimiest and most abysmal place in the country one could wish to be right now is over my shoulder in the Cardboard City mock-up.)
Cameron's UK Sovereignty Bill is a case of too little, too late. UK-parliamentary sovereignty is a busted flush and Cameron's referendum promise isn't worth the manifesto paper it's written on. Any further transfers of power to the EU are going to be carried out under the so-called ratchet mechanism prescribed in the Lisbon Treaty, which the UK parliament can now do nothing about. Plus Cameron said that Parliament, not the people, would 'decide' (although it can't) on any use of the ratchet powers.
So in my humble opinion from south of the border, the Scottish Parliament should go ahead and proclaim Scottish popular sovereignty. It's more legitimate in a genuine democratic sense than the defunct sovereignty of Westminster.
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