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Wednesday, November 11, 2009

Seconds Out in Glasgow North East

One day to go until the people of Glasgow North East go to the polls and I must admit I'm not sensing the early tremors of a political earthquake, merely drizzle from the ever-darkening skies that will ensure turnout is very low indeed. Postal vote ballots may be significantly up but I doubt that will be replicated by people walking into polling stations on the day.

I suspect the SNP's deliberate dampening down of expectations will pay off and their cheers and jeers after sharply reducing Labour's majority in the area will be valid.

It seemed to escape many people's notice that the odds for this by-election were identical to the odds of David Haye vs the giant Nikolai Valuev at the weekend. Haye was the favourite with Valuev's odds slightly longer. Little Dave ducking and diving and avoiding those clunking fists of the slow, pedestrian man from the North is something we've all become used to from Westminster but the situation has continued in Glasgow North East.

Willie Bain and the Labour campaign have stepped back for most of the contest and lunged forward sporadically with jabs and even, occasionally, a combinations of left and rights that have helped to ensure that David Kerr has staggered rather than sailed through the contest.

Religion, locality, knife crime and ripped off Glasgow are some of the topics that have dominated the campaign when all three, arguably, should not have been close to the core narrative. The SNP, to be fair, has perhaps compounded this narrow debate by releasing press releases focussed on locality and who is 'ripping off' Glasgow rather than changing the subject.

This no doubt suggests that Labour's attacks were gaining traction and the SNP campaign had to put out the fires but it's just a shame that Trident, Afghanistan and the economy never really took off as issues as they are (1) directly related to Westminster where the candidates after all are aspiring to work and (2) terrain where the SNP has the upper hand, perhaps even the killer blow if landed accurately.

Willie Bain is the favourite going into tomorrow and, at the end of the day, the people of Glasgow North East are no mugs and whatever the result is, even though it will come down to points, it should be respected.

We can't go treating the voters like German boxing judges after all and, whatever happens tomorrow, David Kerr is still a giant of a man given the way he has conducted himself over the past few months...

21 comments:

Stuart Dickson said...

Jeff, the latest Populus Scottish split is terrific for Scottish Labour, and monumentally poor for the Lib Dems.

Populus’ Scottish split is totally in agreement with Monday’s TNS-BMRB/Herald findings. There is no doubt at all in my mind that we are witnessing a powerful Swingback to Labour in Scotland.

Could it be that large numbers of Lowland (and I am including the NE in that broad definition) SLD voters are going to swing tactically behind SLAB in some areas? I say this cos the SLD figures have been absolutely appalling for nearly 3 years now, and if anything are getting worse! (Much to my surprise.)

Here is the +/- change from UK GE 2005:

Lab 44% (+5)
SNP 26% (+8)
Con 18% (+2)
LD 7% (-16)
UKIP 4% (+4)
Grn 2% (+1)
BNP 0 (n/c)
oth 0

http://populuslimited.com/uploads/download_pdf-081109-The-Times-The-Times-Poll—November-2009.pdf

Stuart Dickson said...

TNS-BMRB have now released the full datasheets from Monday’s Herald poll. Now we can assess the full Holyrood results, which the Herald failed to publish. I wonder why? ;)

The Green figure on the regional vote is ALWAYS important to look at, as a small but significant number of seats are entirely dependent on the level of the Green vote. This survey is very poor for the Scottish Green Party. That is good news for several Tory list MSPs!

Holyrood v.i. - Constituency vote (FPTP)
(+/- change from Scottish GE 2007)

SNP 40% (+7)
Lab 32% (n/c)
Con 13% (-4)
LD 11% (-5)
oth 5%

Holyrood v.i. - Regional vote (AMS)
(+/- change from Scottish GE 2007)

SNP 37% (+6)
Lab 29% (n/c)
Con 12% (-2)
LD 12% (+1)
Grn 4% (n/c)
SSP 2%
Sol 0
oth 4%

http://www.tns-ri.co.uk/_assets/files/Scottish_Market_Polls1.pdf

Stuart Dickson said...

Note: the Populus Scottish sub-sample was 132 respondents (a little bit higher than usual).

Malcolm Cole said...

For Stuart Dickson:
I wouldn't make too much of the sub-sample from Populus that was only 72 people who count as "decideds". After all, the Comres sub-sample from mid-October had
Lab 29%
LD 29%
SNP 12%.

Jim said...

After seeing the coin tossing stunt, 'giant of a man' is the last thing I thought.

As wee Yousuf points out, Labour have soundly won the media battle, drawing SNP into irrelevant dross rather than the actual debates that count for a Westminister post. Congratulations Labour! Condolences people of Glasgow North East.

Even as the media have danced to the ripped off Glasgow tune, Labour have planned cutting rail links to Scotland.

Yousuf claims that the £100 Billion being spent on Trident is nothing to do with poverty - just 2 examples of Labour's "joined up thinking" that the SNP have failed to combat effectively, despite David Kerr's alleged media savvy.

It's been a very poor election campaign by the SNP but the real losers are the people of Glasgow North East who will vote in yet another Labour stooge to take his place at the Westminister trough. It makes me sick!

Stuart Dickson said...

Labour have shortened to 1/6 with William Hill.

The punters are rarely wrong! (Dunfermline & West Fife was an exception that proved the rule.)

Stuart Dickson said...

Note: Paddy Power are offering 6/4 that Labour will regain Dunfermline & West Fife at the next UK GE.

That is money in the bank IMHO. Willie Rennie MP R.I.P.

JPJ2 said...

It is way too early to assume that the Scottish electorate will fall for the vote Labour to keep out the Tories mantra.

Can anyone tell me a single change to Tory policies that the "feeble fifty" Scottish Labour MPs managed in the 18 years of Tory rough government of Scotland?

One of the ways that Labour kept their vote was to promise devolution-but we now already have that. I can't see them moving on to promising independence (though if they do then the game is won-I can certainly foresee Labour defections to the SNP).

In the event of a clear Tory victory being indicated in the polls the SNP should campaign as follows:

*Only the SNP who are stll in power in Holyrood, backed by a strong SNP Group at Westminster, stand any chance of deflecting Cameron from unsuitable Scottish policies-after all, Cameron will meet with Salmond not with a new Westminster Labour leader.

*If the SNP win 30 seats at Westminster the ability to stop the Tories from governing Scotland regardless of what England does will be achieved.

Even if this approach only creates a much larger SNP vote and a few more seats it will leave the SNP in a considerably stronger position than now

Marcia said...

In my view Willie Rennie will hold Dunfermline West due his personal vote rather than a vote for the Lib Dems.

From speaking to some in Glasgow, there is a late swing going on but too late to change the result. If there is a low turnout then that could be to the SNP's advantage.

Anonymous said...

If a boxing analogy is to be used, I would suggest its the old pro Labour making up for the loss of firepower and speed around the ring tying up the nippier SNP contender on the inside and grappling for the full 12 rounds. The SNP contender probably lost heart by the 8th as the frustration of not being able to fight on their own terms and on their strategy became prevalent. Unaninimous Labour points victory.

Jeff said...

Well, when I checked the comments i didn't expect Dunfermline West to be chief topic but who am I to stand in the way of popular will. And by popular will I of course mean Stuart Dickson (just joking matey, random polling comments always particularly welcome!)

It depends who Labour put up I suppose but I don't fancy Willie's chances, not just because of the mini scandals in the area with high rent to cream money into party coffers. Labour do look good at those odds given the recent polling and it is Gordon Brown country which will surely play a part as locals back their boy against Dave. I of course wouldn't rule out an SNP charge particularly as they were the clear beneficiaries of a depressed Lib Dem vote in the Euros.

Jeff said...

Jim, absolutely fair comment on the coin tossing. I was trying to stretch the boxing analogy as far as I possibly could. Whether I succeeded is a split decision.

As groan-inducing as the coin toss was I can see why David tried it. None of the SNP messages were getting through into the press with coverage filled mostly with tosh. So maybe it was worth a go to flag up the point? Still cringeworthy though, I grant you that. And he has persevered manfully in remarkably tough conditions with the media throwing everything his way. No wonder Grant Thoms stepped aside, i'd def have done the same.

Thomas Docherty said...

Like Jeff, I didn't expect this to turn into a discussion about Dunfermline, but as the Labour candidate I'm obviously chuffed by Jim's confidence.

Jim said...

err, Jim's confidence is that the Glasgow NE Labour stooge will be reinstated despite the mind boggling piss taking that the Labour party have subjected this constituency to.

For an example, see here:
http://www.scottishreview.net/IMcLeod166.html

and consider the resigned in disgrace MPs £400k villa for evidence.

Dunfermline has nothing to do with anything I've said or thought.

Labour incompetence, corruption and failure in Glasgow is all I care about, but if you can point out that your opposition in Dunfermline is a bit of a tim and wasn't actually brought up in the hospital ward he was born in, you'll apparently be in with a decent shout.

Thomas Docherty said...

Sorry Jim - meant to say Stuart.

Stuart Dickson said...

Here's a (not very good) photograph of Thomas Docherty MP:

http://www.labour.org.uk/ppc/thomas_docherty/267/

Allan said...

JPJ2

If the SNP win 30 seats, you'd have no need for an Independence referendum. A majority of Scottish MP's would suffice for discussions to begin as soon as possable.

Ezio said...

David Kerr = FULL OF WIN
William Bain = LOL

Ezio = The King

redcliffe62 said...

ezio, over from PB? good!

Jeanne Tomlin said...

Allan, that is a big IF. And IF they spend their entire war chest on the GE and DON'T win? What then?

They are more likely--obviously--to win the Holyrood election. Numbers show that.

No party has unlimited funds. The SNP sure as heck doesn't. It has to make practical fiscal decisions on which elections to spend most of those funds on and which elections they're most likely to win.

30 MPs and not needing to win at Holyrood or need a referendum would be nice. But how likely is it? Even if they spend every penny they have... Seriously.

Thomas Docherty said...

Back in the early 1990s, Winnie Ewing announced that if the SNP won 4 out of the 8 seats in the 1994 European Elections, that this was a mandate for Independence discussions.

I always thought that this was a tenuous stretch of logic. What if the SNP ever won a majority of the seats in Local Government? Would this count as a mandate?

If Alex Salmond's argument for voting for the SNP next year is to provide more clout in a posssible hung Parliament, then can you claim that this is then a mandate for Independence?

Whether it is palatable to some or not, Tony Blair's decision to have a referendum on devolution has set a constitutional precedent.