Looking like a Victorian baddy in two articles in today's Sunday Times, 'Cheese-gate' blogger Mark MacLachlan has come off the ropes to fire on all cylinders against the party, against the press and against opposition parties but all in a perfectly fair, cogent and above the belt manner.For my money, the man behind Montague Burton has played a bit of a blinder today and the Universality of Cheese saga looks like being far from over with Mark a good few steps closer to clearing his name.
Some may roll their eyes and groan at the damage more focus on this story may do to the party's fortunes with an election coming up but I think Mark is well within his rights to tell his side of the story as publicly and as forcibly as he can. It's not like the News of the World or Scotland on Sunday gave him much of a chance to get his views across a fortnight ago and reading what he has to say you can't help but think that Mark has several significant, justifiable grievances.
The erraticism of the Scottish press is laid bare given they managed to get Mark's age, wage and stage of career casually incorrect:
I’ve been described as the evil genius behind the mysterious so-called Cybernats, a tartan Damian McBride, a one-man smear machine. Among the reported wrong facts were my age (I’m older), my salary (it’s less) and the length of my career in politics (I started as a novice in August 2008, a mere 15 months ago).
Perhaps the most shocking revelation in the Ecosse article (which is refreshingly penned by Mark himself in its entirety) is the fact that the blogger didn't resign after all but was effectively sacked after SNP special adviser Kevin Pringle drew up a resignation letter on Mark's behalf and without his knowledge:
The Scottish media has reported that I apologised to all and sundry and resigned my position. That was not the case. On the Thursday afternoon, when it became apparent that the Scottish press were intent on outing me, I told Michael Russell what was about to happen. I said: “If I have to go over this, so be it. I’m sorry for the mess it’s caused, especially with the White Paper [on independence] out on Monday.”
He told me that he thought there would be no need for that and he’d try to sort it all out. That evening, one of his advisers called me and suggested that what I had written was mostly satirical and the worse that should happen was a slap on the wrist. The following morning, as I hid out in downtown Carlisle, Michael called to tell me he’d have to let me go. The comments I’d made about some politicians, it was suggested, were too strong. He warned me he’d have to dissociate himself from me in the press.
I listened as he read an “apology” attributed to me, but composed by Kevin Pringle, the First Minister Alex Salmond’s most senior special adviser.
I'm sure such an approach is common-place in all political parties as the damage limitation takes top priority but it was perhaps optimistic of the party HQ to expect Mark to just fall on his sword, meekly take one for the team and fade off into the Dumfries sunset.
Not only the party, but it seems Mike Russell in particular is expecting a lot of Mark too:
“The big question I’ve been asked repeatedly is: ‘Did Michael Russell know about your blog?’ I haven’t answered the question; that’s for Michael Russell to do,” he said.
Given that Mike Russell has already answered the question by denying all knowledge of the blog and Mark is being so circumspect with the above quote, it is difficult not to arrive at the conclusion that Mike's answer was incorrect and that he did infact know about the blog. That would be a big accusation to make and potentially devastating for the new Education Secretary's career but if this lesson teaches us anything about Politics, that lesson is that it's every person for themselves out there.
Could this be part of the reason for the Minister to be removed from handling the precious White Paper on an independence referendum?
I'd say the next most fascinating aspect of the affair is the clear statement in the headline that Mark is suing the SNP for unfair dismissal.
Mark was clearly dropped like a hot rock with his calls going unreturned, locks changed and a resignation letter being drafted up unbeknownst to him. Not that I have any meaningful legal knowledge but if it was the case that all and sundry within the party knew about the Universality of Cheese blog, as Mark suggests, then I suspect he may have a pretty strong case:
Although I was blogging as an individual, there were plenty of people, both locally and nationally — gosh, even cross-party — who knew I was the author and who supplied material.
One thing worth noting is the fact that in Mark's article he does not mention suing the SNP, it is only in Jason Allardyce's article in the main paper that reference is made. I don't know how relevant that it is or even whether is casts aspersions on the suggestion a court case is perhaps looming but it is clear what the Sunday Times want the main headline to be.
Labour MSP John Park says the remarks in their entirety are "explosive".
Although I wouldn't quite go that far, (for the record, I don't think Mark is a martyr and I think he has been more daft than he has been wronged) I would say that after the attempted media strangulation and the ridiculous lack of perspective over the affair, to see a triumphant volley of shots across his numerous opposing bows replete with the delicious sense of humour that was the main motivation for the Universality of Cheese blog in the first place, well, it's nothing short of joyous.
Mark MacLachlan's blog is back up and running here.
81 comments:
I think it's unlikely that this will do much damage in terms of the election. I reckon it's mostly hacks that have been following the story, not ordinary voters.
It's still a useful spat for Labour to encourage, though, to create tension and rack up the pressure on the SNP but I doubt the net effects will be HUGE.
I just hope - for their sake - that Labour are confident they don't have similar 'dirty' politics swirling about THAT COULD BE EXPOSED. (Obviously, they WILL have plenty of skeletons locked away in cupboards, but have they made sure their own 'smear tactics' are undiscoverable...? It could still all blow up in their faces.)
It'll be hard to prove IF and WHAT Russell knew about the blog. Just knowing OF it is not a problem for me.
Once we get into knowing about the attack posts where Mark got a bit...'carried away', it gets a little more serious.
I'm not against satire, but telling untruths about people's personal lives, even on the net, shouldn't be encouraged. Then again, I don't know what exactly he was saying - perhaps it was true. Perhaps not.
Jeff forgive me if I'm wrong but was Mark's blog not one of the ones you and your "clique" were so annoyed at that you just had to distance yourself from?
Now your openly directing people back to his blog and almost congratulating him.
Hmm, I smell hypocrisy or is it the cheese?
AMW
ditto
and I sell runny cheese
Yeah, Jeff, you pretty much decided that the fact that Iain Gray's local labour party was involved in systematic corruption was a boring non-story, using the fact that it was a daft thing involving bbqs to show how pointless you felt the whole thing was, now some madcap blogger who you, me and any other sane nationalist voice online didn't bother with when he was posting because he just wasn't very interesting at all is trying to cause a bit of a stooshie, and all of a sudden it's a big issue.
I like you, Jeff. I, in particular, like that you try your very best to be even-handed and not turn into a Yapping Yosuf style blog, never daring to criticise your own party. But don't you think sometimes you just go out of your way to try and PROVE how even-handed and fair you are. It's almost like you are trying to live up to an image.
AMW,
I'm absolutely baffled by your comment.
I know some Scottish bloggers are concerned about a 'clique' but I write my blog, I answer as many comments as I can and I read quite a few others. Anything else beyond that is not really my concern.
I find it childishly self-indulgent to think the Scottish blogosphere should be one big happy family where everyone reads everyone else's blog. People are welcome to that objective but I do not share in it.
Since you're pushing me on it, the honest answer is I was distanced from Mark's blog long before all this went on. I barely read it because it just wasn't my cup of tea. There may have been the odd comment from me here and there and you can therefore suggest that I'm covering my ass here by disavowing UoC given this whole affair but, if so, I would suggest you get out more.
I do think, despite the NOTW being perfectly within its rights to run the story it did, that Mark was very hard done by, by the press and, now seemingly, by the party.
So I can still celebrate a man getting the truth out while remaining not particularly enamoured with his blog and not being a hypocrite.
I hope you agree but if you don't, to be honest mate, I don't give a monkeys.
The "Suing the SNP headline" is surely wrong - indeed i think exposes the Sunday Times real motives, despite giving Mark a platform to explain his side of the story. Because, surely Mark never worked for the SNP but for Mike Russell on his parliamentary staff? So if he is suing anyone it will be Mike Russell or possibly the Scottish Parliament, who employ all staff they fund for MSPs. But that would be a less sexy a headline. Like you Jeff, I too have note there is no mention by Mark himself of him suing anyone in his own article - it seems to have been added by the Sunday Times journlist, Jason Allardyce in the news section article.
As for Mark's denial that he resigned, I suppose we will need to await an industrial tribunal to find out the precise details, but just because Kevin Pringle ( allegedly) drafted the letter of resignation does not mean Mark did not resign. He was read the letter, could have said no, "I'm not resigning". Of couse he was in a difficult and pressurised situation , but so too was Mike Russell and the SNP.....and who precipitated the problem?
You say Mark has played a blinder here - I'm not so sure. Once these ISP logs he claims he has are opened up god knows where it will end up. The only chearing I can hear is in Labour HQ - two front page News International nat bashing splashes in as many weeks.....and still counting.
Jeff..Your Cooment from DocVees blog.
#3 Jeff
9 December 2009 08:28
Nice one Duncan, agree with most of your post and perhaps even all of it. Blogging about blogging does have an unseemly self-indulgence to it but it’s still interesting and it’s not like there’s too much other news out there.
I really just wanted to commend you on your bravery in calling Cybernats ‘too excited for their own good’ and (the wonderfully diplomatic) ‘boisterous’.
You’re right, as usual, but I just wonder if there be a storm a brewin’ once those excitable Nats get here!"
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Now the problem I have with your comment is that you openly agreed with Ginger nuts comment but then on the other hand your posting on hear your support for Mark.
I tell you what, I would sooner trust the most vile MSM reporter than yourself. At least they are consistent.
BTW, if I was a wee bit horrible to Jeff there, I should point out that in this spat that AMW seems desperate to have with Jeff, I'll be firmly on Jeff's side.
Jeff and his blog are positive things for the SNP, for the blogosphere and Scottish political discourse as a whole.
AMW's former blog...well, it wasn't.
Sean, a valid question but I disagree.
Mark's situation was of his own making and he's manfully held his hand up there but I still think he got unfairly screwed over in certain respects.
Who loses if a council lets a political party use a few ovens for a barbecue once a year?
I'm not going out of my way to be even-handed. There probably are questions to be answered regarding it but I really honestly, deep-down don't care a jot about BBQ-gate but I feel a strong degree of sympathy for Mark over Cheese-gate. There's probably a bit of 'there but for the grace of NOTW go I' about it too.
There are no clear victims in BBQ-gate but there is an obvious victim in Cheese-gate. That's the difference in a nutshell.
And I'm not adopting a position on anything for any other reason than to have my honest opinions challenged or agreed with so to that end please feel free to keep kicking at me if you think I'm out of line and I'll fight my corner as best I can ;)
AMW, there is nothing inconsistent in my position even with that comment take into account.
'Cybernats' can get too excited for their own good, Mark openly admits in his Ecosse piece today that he got carried away with his Euan McColm rebuttal so what's your point? (Not that I would necessarily call Mark a CyberNAT)
I get the impression you're in a bit of a bad mood because you felt the need to close down your blog and now you're needlessly taking it out on myself.
I suggest you have a beer, chill out and have a look for your misplaced sense of humour.
AMW
Lay off Jeff please. For sure he aint necessarily consistent, at times contradictory, but that I think is part of his appeal. He kind of thinks online!
I think on this post he is expressing no more than some human sypathy for a fellow blogger who has paid a disproportionate price for his indiscressions.
I happen to dissagree with him on this issue, but your less trustworthy than the "most vile MSM reporter" is way below the belt.
Jeff..
"I get the impression you're in a bit of a bad mood because you felt the need to close down your blog and now you're needlessly taking it out on myself. "
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Oh dear, Well that is what you and a few other rather bazaar bloggers might think but consider this before you fall into your own conspiracy theory.
Why on earth would I feel the need to close my blog other than I don't have the time anymore? Today is the first time in a week that I have managed to have a look around the blogs.
As for being in a bad mood, Hmm no not me, as I said I am just getting round to reading some of the crap on some of the blogs and giving my views.
I don't blame anyone for me closing my blog other than time constraints but of course some would suggest otherwise.
One last thing. Why on earth would I take out (my bad mood) on you?
lol yeh this blogging malarkey does give some people a sense of importance right enough.
Aye We Can...
Okay I take on board what your saying but I do have my own thoughts on this and that is why I was posting.
I don't have a problem with Jeff and over the year I was blogging I would say our relationship was candid, however I have disagreed with him at times and this is one of the times.
As the commissioning editor for Mark's Ecosse article I can confirm that he plans to take legal action against his employers. Jason would not have written that without checking . His news story was based on Mark's Ecosse article and further checks by Jason and myself.
AMW "Jeff forgive me if I'm wrong but was Mark's blog not one of the ones you and your "clique" were so annoyed at that you just had to distance yourself from?"
Yes, AMW, it is 'Spooky', but when I posted on this very blog a few times in defence of Mark and Cheese, saying, however ineffectively, that it (Cheese) had been taken out of context and spun blatantly, selectively and horridly and to ghastly consequence for a good guy, I was rebuffed.
Not least by Cheese's newest cheerleader.
Ho hum
Cheers Alan.
As for your points, I guess I just took the "suing the SNP" headline at face value. I usually find Jason Allardyce writes robust, quality stuff which helped play a part in my thinking.
You make some fine points that Mark was employed by Mike Russell and not directly by the party. As I say though, I'm no lawyer so my speculating too much is probably not worth the effort.
Still, great to see 'the little guy' punching back.
Well Ayrshire Scot, you can now revel in just how right you think you are.
If I happened to wait before hearing both sides of the stories before fully making my mind up then so be it.
And as I say, I still think Mark screwed up and I still think NOTW had a perfectly valid story to write so I wouldn't be too hasty to go patting yourself on the back.
I have to agree with AMW.
A number of people, Jeff included, were almost gleeful at Mark's "downfall". I said so at the time and it's still my opinion.
Jeff, you and your little clique were very generous with going around attacking everyone who disagreed with you.
Hypocrisy in action.
The fact that you refer to Scottish bloggers as "cybernats" speaks volumes as far as I'm concerned.
Just piping in here, but I do hope the attempt to call online "Scottish Labour" commentors 'Cyberslabs' catches on.
Jeanne, it's getting to the stage where I audibly groan where I see you've left a comment.
No offence or anything, of course.
Now,
(1) Please quote me on when I sounded "gleeful" about Mark's downfall.
(2) Clarify what "going around attacking everyone who disagreed with you" means or at least provide an example.
Or maybe it's best if you didn't. After all, this is all getting very silly.
I put up what I thought would be a harmless post saying how impressed I was with someone's article in the Sunday Times and I'm getting it thoroughly in the neck for some reason as a result.
I agree with Alan, Labour HQ must be laughing their socks off.
Jeff
I wasn't patting myself on the back.
I was alluding to you being a shifty hypocrite that doesn't so much blow in the wind as waft hither and yon.
How you confused the two is ubnclear.
And if the think the NOTW article had substance, why are you directing people to "Cheese" now?
Have you sniffed a slight under-current, the merest whiff of a draft to follow?
And that it IS a clique is shown by Aye We Can spinging to Jeff's defense.
The way you two bend over backwards convinced that if you kiss up to the establishment hard enough then YOU are not cybernats is just too hypocritical for words.
YOU are cybernats too. Oops. If you blog and on the days you get around to supporting nationalism, then you're part of the club. Don't think kissing arse is going to get you off the hook.
Cybernats are hated for being nationalist not for anything particular they say. When was the last time I saw a unionist attacked for calling Alex Salmond a bad name--which they do regularly.
Let me tell you. NEVER.
Jeanne
"A number of people, Jeff included, were almost gleeful at Mark's "downfall". I said so at the time and it's still my opinion"
Jeff was just following the prevailing, stale, tabloid gust.
Jeff says "I agree with Alan, Labour HQ must be laughing their socks off."
No, Jeff, Foulkes of the fascist gags, and the rest of Labour HQ, were laughing their socks off when you were quoted as "a mainstream nationalist blogger" fulminating and propagating the NOTW spin.
I think Mr McLachlan undoubtedly has (legitimate) grievances with the media and with the way he was outed.
I do not however think he has any real grievance with Mike Russell or with the SNP, and am fairly staggered to read that he is considering submitting a claim to an employment tribunal. I really can't imagine why. But his actions are threatening Mike Russell's position, are threatening the privacy of other SNP workers, and he has told everyone that he has recorded the ISP addresses of everyone who visited his site and is prepared to use that as part of his case against the SNP. I thought his argument was supposed to be about liberty?
I think this is all rather Alice in Wonderland now.
There are rules in politics one of which is that if you become the news you walk. That happens to people in all parties all the time.
(ps also Jeff you can't use Council facilities to fund raise for political parties. That's really quite a big rule).
I think that at the tie of Montague's travails Jeff was in the "in crowd" meaning the MSN.
I think he has learned his lesson so maybe this is a genuine recant?
Observer
when some of the people who joined in denouncing Mark and "Cheese", in the crowd who were bashing a guy on the basis of a blog taken out of context and spun like a rotary clothes-line is a gale by the NOTW and SoS, contributed disgusting, abusive comments to various cyber forums from Scottish Parliament ISP addresses, during working hours, why should Mark not pursue this? Given everyone was trying to spin this line to bash the SNP with "Cheese".
I think Cheesegate has some way to run.... I notice Scottish Tory Boy still denying being the author of holocaust pics posted on the Scotsman....
November 29, 2009 1:24 PM
Jeff said...
Sorry Observer, that's absolute nonsense.
Wardog and Monty went looking for a fight and got what they deserved.
If they were so confident of their assertions then why did both bloggers close down their websites and make unreserved apologies?
I don't know if you've read the post where 'Montague Burton' slags off a certain journalist in the midst of the Wardog story but no right thinking person would have written such a piece without expecting severe and justified retribution.
A purge? Rubbish. It's a welcome, overdue Spring cleaning...
Looks pretty darn gleeful to me.
And now you're saying go read his blog... Oh, dearie me.
Look guys I think Jeanne has just proven that I was on Mr McLachlan's side (too much so, when the rish of blood to my head subsided I deleted my posts as they were too OTT).
Ayrshire I completely respect you, I completely respect AMW and I completely respect Mr McLachlan.
BUT his issue is I believe with the media (and perhaps other bloggers) I really don't want to see him taking out his legitimate anger on Mike or the Party.
That is not helping anyone, and any Scottish Minister would have reacted as Mike did when Mr McLachlan was unmasked - it's a tough gig politics.
"....to see a triumphant volley of shots across his numerous opposing bows replete with the delicious sense of humour that was the main motivation for the Universality of Cheese blog in the first place, well, it's nothing short of joyous."
Something I think we can all agree on.
Today was a bit of a watershed for blogging in Scotland and it's relationship to the media (does it need one?)
Because Joan McAlpine of the Sunday Times commissioned the piece, at least we now have a two sided story to discuss, rather than a fortnight of mis-informed speculation and commentary based upon one side of the story as reported by the media themsevles.
In a rather delicious way, it marks an interesting development between independent 'citizen bloggers' and the corporate media.
That by definition is a widening of the voices heard and as Jeff says, rather joyous.
In that respect it perhaps also diminishes the 'power' of those that would choose to use the media towards their own ends and avoid giving a platform to others to refute their angle.
Surely this is at the heart of the matter, it's why comments are moderated and why certain papers / journalists no longer allow comments, the mirror can sometimes be very unforgiving.
I suspect that Mark's justifications for starting blogging will have also struck a real chord amongst many bloggers reading the article, the notion of fairness or a perceived lack of it is a powerful motivator and certainly explains the strength in numbers of nationalist bloggers online and the perception of unfairness in the mainstream media on coverage of certain political viewpoints.
Many I imagine, simply go online for a more humorous and less po-faced take on current events, witness shows like Have I Got News for You, Never mind the Buzzcocks, the Political Cartoons in the Times or In the Thick of it - where the innuendo and vivid language are what makes them so satirical and dare I say it, rather instructive of the reality of politics.
A 'reality' that isn't handed down by the often stiff necked traditional media.
One of the common threads between the various blogs wasn't just that there use of language but the subject matter of the individual posts. These dealt with the particularly human characteristics & traits of those that they focused on. Some might say they were personal smears on public figures, but do those involved actually refute the accusations?
If so, then surely it is a private legal matter.
Is this really headline news?
Mark's attire today and the excellent prose links directly to what Joan McAlpine had previously written on this subject on her go lassie go blog.,
The space for such satire, the space for humour, the space for rumour and robust commentary seems to have been attacked by a media that regularly fails to report accurately itself.
Closing those avenues does narrow the discussion, it removes it to the coffee house rather than the public house and it's something that should be resisted.
Just some thoughts.
Ayrshire..
I think all you had to write was "hypocrisy". Yeh I'm reading some of the comments on that particular post now.
As I said, I'm only now beginning to read some of the garbage that has been chucked about on some blogs.
Jeanne,
Fast work!
I stand by that comment and I stand by this blog post. if you think they're inconsistent then that's fine, and maybe you're right, as Alan has said this blog (and almost all blogs) are the thoughts of a person on any given day. I still think they both stack up.
Thinking someone got what they deserved isn't necessarily gleeful and as much as I don't want to dwell on it, 'that' post from Monty was daft, it was "looking for a fight", (as he admits) and the chances of it happening again are now negligble so the 'spring cleaning' has taken place as far as I'm concerned.
Anyway, as I say, you're welcome to your views and I hope you agree that I'm welcome to mine.
Excellent comment Anon, thanks for that.
Observer
"I really don't want to see him taking out his legitimate anger on Mike or the Party"
Observer, in a democracy, individuals have rights. Even under New London Labour who embraced Thatcheritce employment law reform, employment rights.
Mr Mac has every right to pursue a grievance. Having nearly choked up my lower colon reading about Jim Devine and his approach to employment tribunals I feel I can comfortably support the aims of the SNP while hoping an individual's employment rights are not crapped on by a tabloid article.
Mike Russell should be able to do the same.
Obs..
Alrighty Obs. I'm not commenting on Mark and the SNP, that is for them and them alone to sort out.
As you ken I vote SNP and obviously hope the party do well at elections. I also like Mark so what is going on between both parties I wont comment on but what I will say is that I'm sitting on the fence on this issue but some questions will have to be addressed, that I do admit.
The emphasis of my original post on here was the apparent hypocrisy from some circles over Marks return.
Thats all...
Jeff
"Thinking someone got what they deserved "
Did a good, civically active, engaged individual, who did alot of good for his community, "deserve" to have a personal, comedic, surreal blog used out of context to destroy his career because he used colourful language to comment on bullying by a scummy tabloid of another individual?
AMW
"but what I will say is that I'm sitting on the fence "
OMG and ooh err, on my email, not here.
Jeff will like fence sitting until he sees where the fence falls though.
Ayrshire.
Employers have rights too, it's a two way thing. Mr McLachlan has embarrassed his employer and brought him into disrepute. Maybe he has a case for wrongful or constructive dismissal, I can't see it, but I still think he is shooting at the wrong target.
Observer
"Employers have rights too, it's a two way thing. Mr McLachlan has embarrassed his employer and brought him into disrepute"
Employers do have rights, the rest if conjecture.
And Mr MacLachlan has every right to an actual hearing of his arguments, before you, or his employers, can decide if he has been treated fairly, embarassed anyone by private conduct unlinked to his work, or anything else. Given you don't know the terms of his change of employment status, nor do I, I am amazed you can draw conclusions so glibly.
AMW I would rather they sorted it out behind closed doors, that's all I'm saying. We all support independence and none of this is helping.
Hope your working hard! All the best.
OK Ayshire you obviously know more than me, but you will be aware that employment tribunals are public hearings and there are no reporting restrictions, so the architect of the referendum white paper will be dragged all through the media if it goes to that.
I'm just commenting that in my view that wouldn't be vastly helpful to the overall cause.
" Mr McLachlan has embarrassed his employer and brought him into disrepute"
His employer had a penchant for zippy shoes and self promotion.
How one such can be brought into disrepute by surreal banter is unclear.
My, my, reading through these comments, I'm tempted to hark back to my old school days and shout "fight, fight, fight".
I won't though, because I don't know what the fighting's about.
From what I'm seeing, AMW, you've either had a bad day, a bad blowjob from the missus, or just looking for an excuse to bash someone (or whoever came along first, which turned out to be this post).
From what I'm reading
- Jeff wasn't a big fan of UoC
- thought Mark was a decent guy when he met him
- thinks Mark, although not being a fan of his blog, got a pretty rough ride by the press and the party amid this stooshie and
- wanted to highlight a) the wee man getting in a few good retaliatory punches against the big boys and b) that the article itself is a good read and thought he'd recommend it as interesting, funny and well written. What's you problem with that?
What AMW, Ayrshire Scot etc are all alluding to in calling Jeff "gleeful" in Mark's downfall, "a hypocrite" and at one point "shifty" is hilariously non-existent.
Also, linking to his blog isn't exactly Jeff saying he's a fan.
Jeff didn't like the blog fair enough, but he is saying 'fair play' to a guy who seems to have had, to quote the West Wing, "$5000 worth of punishment for a $50 buck crime". It's like football - I don't like Wolves, not a fan and don't like McCarthy (the manager), but I'm happy to see them beat Spurs in a shock result.
And this is what the rest of us class as cybernats, those that suddenly get shitty for no good reason, get over-excited, decide on something to bitch about and hunker-down.
So either smoke a joint, have a bath with lovely bubbles, or find a better source of blowjob because you guys are seeming a bit irrational and in need of something else to focus on.
"Mr McLachlan has embarrassed his employer and brought him into disrepute"
Has that actually been confirmed, to decide that would usually require facts and consideration.
'Embarrasssment' isn't a sackable offence the last time I looked, think of the jobless figures after this years christmas parties.....
Clause 4 of the SNP Code of Conduct says '...every member owes a duty to the party to refrain from conduct likely to cause damage to or hinder the party's proper pursuit of it's aims....."
This type of 'disrepute' clause is now prevalent in public and private sector contracts and should be challenge by employment laws to better define it.
Just because the media link someone with a membership isn't enough to substantiate the use of the clause.
The person would need to be publicly aligning themselves with the SNP and making comments that could be clearly shown to "hinder the party's proper pursuit of it's aims"
In this case the whole story was 'closed down' by forcing a resignation for political reasons.
That could easily be construed as unfair dismissal without due process.
I think Mike Russell might be on shaky ground here having conflated the SNP's Code of Conduct with media attention and his own employment contractual arrangements.
Unfortunately I don't think it's Mike that's behind it, but rather the SNP's spin team who seem to spinning out of control of late and getting a little to used to the trappings of Government.
If anything it showed just how loose and fast the draft white paper is that something like this was perceived to have had the ability to derail it (and I'm a supporter of independence).....
Achieving devolution max or independence will take more than fancy documents and quasi corporate brochure launches, the sooner the SNP grasp that the closer we all might be to that state.
Political Dissuasion says:
"or find a better source of blowjob because you guys are seeming a bit irrational and in need of something else to focus on"
....having written a small treatise on the same subject he thinks we should not focus on.
All Hoovers chez "Dissuasion" on max with industrial fuses, then?
What sort of person writes an essay on a subject objuring others for commenting on it, when it is the title of the blog?
Political Distemper extemporises... "Jeff thinks Mark, although not being a fan of his blog, got a pretty rough ride by the press and the party amid this stooshie"
Well, how bland. The next time someone is stitched up, kippered, quoted out of context and villified by the cheapest of tabloid nonsense I hope they don't send for the cyber aromatherapist double act of Jeff and Dissuasion.
I was and remain a fan of the Cheese blog. But the "cunt" post about the Political editor of the News of the World was just plain stupid.( and way out of charachter) I actually saw it and as one of Monty fans posted near immediatly to tell him it was out of order and courting touble. This was not just a thowaway expeletive it was an all out attack on Euan McColm, with pictures of him and definitions. As net abuse goes, 11 on a scale of 10 - aimed directly at the Scottish political editor of the News of the World!!
At the time I did not know who Monty was, but when it turned out he worked for Mike Russsell I was just astonished, jaw dropping. And today he tells us lots of folk knew he he was - common knowledge in SNP circles! But these dumbos at NOTW would never find out.
Now he seems set to drag Mike Russell to an industrial tribunal over this and also reveal the ISP addresses of all his visitors to the tribunal. Some unionist conspiracy - neither they or the most immaginatve tabloid in the world could make this up.
But if there is a unionist conspiracy they could maybe arrange the tribunal to take place in the run up to the next election.
And let's all kick Jeff whilst we are at it - for giving these unionists all that damaging copy
Political Distemper writes - "What AMW, Ayrshire Scot etc are all alluding to in calling Jeff "gleeful" in Mark's downfall"
Where did AMW or myself say Jeff was gleeful in Mark's donwfall?
Do you write for the NOTW?
I am thinking you pen, perhaps, the rubbish sex advice page of NOTW written by a spinster with aid of an urban dictionary thesausarus?
Ironic you misquote and invent, in commenting on a story all about the same.
One could wish for less spin from the NOTW - we could certainly hope a poster here could have the wit to read and digest the previous 20 posts before misquoting, fabricating and fantasising.
Ayrshire,
First of all - my hoover's broken - read into that what you will.
And secondly, my humblest of apologies for being "bland".
As I'm not one of those bloggers whose only intention is to sling mud, you can rest assured I am fully dissapointed in myself and will spice up my views accordingly out of the cybernat's peer pressure.
Cyberaromatherapist...I like that one!
Political Dissuasion writes "First of all - my hoover's broken - read into that what you will"
Over use.
'Jeanne, it's getting to the stage where I audibly groan where I see you've left a comment.
No offence or anything, of course.'
Oh please Jeff, I can't believe how patronising you are. How insulting to someone who takes the trouble to write a comment.
I really think this post is quite unnecessary and has only added, very negatively, to show the pettiness within the Scottish blogosphere.
As for Mark I wish him the very best of luck and that is sincere. I know how it feels, in the last couple of weeks, to be classed as the dross of the Scottish blogosphere by some in it.
With the kindness of many top English bloggers and the support of a few loyal Scottish bloggers (you know who you are), I have thankfully been able to rise above the 'cybernat' label and continue to do what my readers and myself enjoy.
Jeff you surely knew if you resurrected the issue of Scottish independence supporters and blogging it would do no good to the cause of independence or the SNP. Don't tell me you didn't realise that. You're not naive, I know that.
I'm disappointed you couldn't find something more political to post such as the lastest poll betting as quoted on PB.
Ayrshire,
If you read, closely or otherwise, I included "etc" after your names to imply, as the dictionary defines it, "other unspecified things of the same class" - please see Jeanne's comments for basic reference.
On behalf of your "inventing" and "misquote" comments...Doh!
Distemper writes "and will spice up my views accordingly out of the cybernat's peer pressure."
Or perhaps you could disown CyberUnionist comments which prevail every day on the Daily Mail, Scotsman etc -
an example:
"Scots are parasites" (Scotsman, Dec 10)
But of course not. In bending so far over backward to appear "reasonable" you accept the New Labour game.
Happy WMD, gagging coroner courts, and happy bland blogging.
The key point for me reading this article is that Mark only became active in politics in August 2008. He calls it starting a career but being a member of the SNP and a member of staff for the SNP is not simply a career. It is more than that.
He has not been hard done to by the party. He said himself that "An internet news search reveals that I received more negative press than Scotland’s assorted murderers and child molesters combined."
That, by any definition, is bringing the party into disrepute and there was no option for him but to resign his membership of the party as well as his job. Maybe legally, or even morally, this is unfair on an individual basis but politically it was the only outcome possible.
It didn't have to mean the end of his "career" in politics. Other people have got into bother before. What happens is they do whatever is necessary to kill the story, then they keep their heads down for a bit and then come back quietly. By doing what he has done however Mark MacLachlan has pretty much guaranteed that will not happen in his case. His decision.
I do feel quite sorry for the guy because it is clear and it is clear that he feels he has been hard done by. But the only mistake Mike has made was in employing him in the first place. But that's only with hindsight - Mike could not have been expected to foresee something like this.
As an individual Mark certainly has the right to go to an employment tribunal though I am not sure what his chances will be given some of the comments he made about local councillors etc. As a blogger he has the right, in my view, to say anything he damn well pleases provided he does not break the law. However he cannot now be a member of the SNP or an employee of any SNP elected member.
Leave it to Indy to sum it up better than anyone ever could.
Indy says "As an individual Mark certainly has the right to go to an employment tribunal though I am not sure what his chances will be given some of the comments he made about local councillors etc. As a blogger he has the right, in my view, to say anything he damn well pleases provided he does not break the law. However he cannot now be a member of the SNP or an employee of any SNP elected member."
Wow, that is amazing and undemocratic rough justice.
Being tilted toward the SNP, and more becaue of the radical late 80's, I am disgusted to read this crap.
What sort of ambulance, tabloid chaser decides the results of employment law cases, with no knowledge of the case? Is the SNP Trade Union Group in the loop?
Totally disgusting the way ranks are closed, against natural justice and against what people should believe in.
"...an all out attack on Euan McColm, with pictures of him and definitions"
You make it sound like Maclachlan physically assaulted him on the street..... all he did was call him some florid names on an obscure blog that only attracted 30 or so followers.
Maclachlan's post was a response to a Sunday opinion piece by McColm on Wardog that had a Sunday readership of approximately 25,000.
The basis of that article was Wardog's response to an email from McColm is still online, it can be viewed using google's cache searching for 'Wardog Is that you you Euan McColm?",
In it Wardog rather bizarrely (given the outcome) makes reference to the fact that he and others seemed to think that the email was a hoax.
I don't recall McColm withholding his own views on that blogger, he did a complete hatchet job if I recall correctly, selectively quoting his blog and simply taking quotes entirely out of context.
Not to mention trying strenuously to smear his company and his part-time employer. He also likely tipped off other journalists who went on to report the story, widening it's exposure.
All that for calling Jim Murphy a name for something he apparently did during the Queens' speech.
That seems entirely out of proportion but lies at the epicentre of the cheese blog.
The NotW deals in smear and innuendo on a daily basis, why you think it or it's journalists should be immune from robust commentary online by those willing to take them on is lost on me I'm afraid.
"...an all out attack on Euan McColm, with pictures of him and definitions"
God forbid the NOTW ever describe someone harshly
"That, by any definition, is bringing the party into disrepute and there was no option for him but to resign his membership of the party as well as his job."
Being reported in the media doesn't bring people into disrepute, the fact that his blog was anonymous, it didn't stipulate that he was a member of the snp and was carried out in his own time away from his employment all suggest that he hasn't brought the party into disrepute.
If you feel that's not the case, can you clarify the process the SNP went through to determine whether they had been brought into disrepute and the Code of Conduct clause that your referring to?
I'd suggest that they made snap decision largely based on their spin doctors advice to try and close down the story.
"Other people have got into bother before. What happens is they do whatever is necessary to kill the story, then they keep their heads down for a bit and then come back quietly."
I much prefer Maclachlan's principled stand actually, we have enough conniving politicians creeping about back stairs as it is.
Others that have followed your suggested course of action include Peter Mandelson, Peter Hain and Damian McBride.....
"Mike could not have been expected to foresee something like this."
Are they putting something in SNP members tea to make you all so compliant with the party machine?
"However he cannot now be a member of the SNP or an employee of any SNP elected member."
Again, have you seen details that he was dismissed on a code of conduct issue?
If not then there is nothing preventing him from re-joining the SNP, whether he'd want to is another matter.
The SNP might just e wakening up to the fact that their dash for the middle ground (like New Labour before them) will mean that they also lose many others who despite still believing in the cause of Scottish independence are becoming increasingly concerned at the the current crops reliance on media spin.
Indy says " That, by any definition, is bringing the party into disrepute "
But, the SNP tolerated comments by an SNP councillor saying that "gays are sad people, damned to hell"
I belive the SNP councillor, who belives Gays should burn in hell, is still in the SNP.
Indy, and Jeff, can correct me. Why is a vile homophobe who goes on Radio 1 announcing hell fire for gays allowed to stay in the party, while a man who is funny about the NOTW not?
This has along way to go
"But the only mistake Mike has made was in employing him in the first place"
Well yes, that, and tolerating Fergus Ewing and viscious homophobia in the party, I suppose.
The only mistake Mark made, was being employed by total shit bags who would turn their back on someone, at first whiff of the News of the World,
If you are Indy Gal, Anne, i am wondering if I should now shop stories.
Ayrshire I think you need to catch a grip here.
This isn't doing anyone any good, and two wrongs don't make a right.
The reality of the situation is that political staff have to be like Caesar's wife - above suspcion.
That may be unfair but it's the way it is.
I am sure Euan McColm and the rest of Mr McLachlan's persecutors would be pishing themselves laughing if they could read this thread - perhaps they are.
We are turning on each other here, divide and rule, it's the oldest trick in the book.
Now do please calm your jets and come back to this another time.
'calm yer jets; - that's a phrase I haven't heard in a long time.....
Made me smile.
Observer "Ayrshire I think you need to catch a grip here.
This isn't doing anyone any good, and two wrongs don't make a right.
"
Aye, whatever.
I didn't lose my job, chunter on, am sickened to watch a supposed left winger recant any deceny post by post.
I support the SNP.
I wouldn't use the c*nt word in serious discourse.
Neither would Mark "Cheese".
I have used worse in joke. As did Mark.
I am disgusted by so called left wing Nats and their reaction to all this.
Maybe the guy needs a hearing, redundancy, fair treatment?
Or did the radical wing of the SNP vanish at zippy shoes and pandering to councillors who think gays should burn in hell?
Get a grip. Get an idea of what you want.
Remember the Judean Popular Front people.
We are all Nationalists posting on here, from us gutter rats who gladly take on the mantle of cybernat, to...well others who don't.
Mark is back blogging, wearing a dodgy tweed suit, but he's back; surely that is the main thing?
"Remember the Judean Popular Front"
How could I forget!
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy
Seen Biggus lately?
He found a spoon? Friend of Incontinetia?
Jeff merely found a fish knife. Unless that wasnt popular
Posting on here, I feel like a blue bottle dancing on, well ,whatever they dance on. Vapid, insipid, without insight, intellectually challenged, not a fresh idea to offer.
Let me say this - Montague had more talent in his tweed cap, immediate, funny, memorable, brilliant, occassional posts. than the sum total of your collected bland gay waist-coast main stream edinburgh, like-like-like- me pish
"Let me say this - Montague had more talent in his tweed cap, immediate, funny, memorable, brilliant, occassional posts. than the sum total of your collected bland gay waist-coast main stream edinburgh, like-like-like- me pish"
Personally, I'd take 'bland gay waist-coast (?) main stream edinburgh, like-like-like- me pish' over smear tactics, childish name calling and potentially libellous material anyday. It's nutters like you that stop me (and I'm sure many others) from joining the SNP and if it weren't for members like Jeff I'd seriously reconsider giving them my vote at all. Do you really not see how much damage people with your attitude do to the SNP?
Ayrshire Scot is Scottish Unionist
The simple fact is that what we write here on the net is available to anyone who wants to search this out. Mr MacLachlan with his blog became a target for someone who wanted to sell papers. It also allowed people he had featured in his blog to have a say and they used this as well. He became the story.
It is not an innocent game that is played here. Mr MacLachlan was singled out and I feel sorry for him and wish him well. But I have to ask did he embarrass the SNP the answer is unfortunatly yes. Obviously it is not finished as it is likely that legal concerns will happen but I just have to wonder if this will happen just as we get to election time.
ayrshire scot would a bit more credible if we knew who he was.
its kind of easy being brave and offensive as a nonentity
dont let this dope get you down Jeff
We should all make it clear that the average member of the SNP bears a closer resemblence to Jeff than to Ayrshire Scot (if, indeed, Ayrshire Scot is an SNP member)
i thought that salary was about 4 and a bit grand too much
For what it's worth I think
a) Mark was very foolish to write what he did considering he held a party position.
b) He compounded the situation by accepting the offer to put his side of the story in the Times as they probably sought to damage the SNP with anything he might say rather than what he naively thought of as a platform to put his side of the story.
c) Bloggers should get over themselves, they're not half as influential or important as they think they are.
''supposed left winger recant any decency by post''
Is that aimed at me AS?
I think what you need to realise is that you are either in the tent looking out, or you are out the tent looking in. You can't be both.
I'm out the tent, I'm not a member of any political party, I favour the Groucho Marx principle, and on that basis I am free to say whatever I damn well want.
So, now, is Mr McLachlan. And good luck to him, with the kind of reputation he has been gifted he could make a Guido type blog for Scotland. One that is unbeholden to anyone and is anti-establishment. But from the left of the spectrum not the right.
But you can't do that as a paid official of the party of Government. That's the point I have been trying to make to you.
Observer
I can only endorse what you have said.
Leaving the specifics of this case aside, there seems to be an extreme libertarian streak amongst some bloggers ( near always annonymous ones) who seem to think because someone invented the internet, free blogs etc this gives them a licence to say anything in the name of free speach and expression.
But it's never been like this, and thankfully so. Because you are saying things in a very public medium, accessible to millions, about other people and organisations who also have rights, including the right to protection against gratutous abuse, misrepresentation and libel. And if your target is powerful and knows the system, they will know better than most how to use their rights, and you might well be on the end of a disproportionate response. So when picking a powerful target, do it well and do it right. This is miles away from the suggestion by Jeanne and others that those who do this are meak and cow towing to the establishment. Because if you get it wrong the establishment will eat you up and spit you out - win, with their position strengthened.
Bloggers need to learn this lesson from cheesgate. Use the immense freedom of expression the web offers positively and fairly and you are unlikely to have too many problems - none that cant be overcome anyway.
And if you are angry, want to let off steam, go kick a bin instead.
Ayrshire Scot I don’t think you appreciate the difference between someone who supports the SNP and/or independence and someone who has a position in the SNP.
You do not, of course, have to be a member of the SNP to blog about independence and from my reading most pro independence bloggers are not SNP members. That of course gives people a certain freedom. Unfortunately however if you are operating at the level Mark MacLachlan was operating at then you have a responsibility to put the party first. That’s just how it is.
As I said, people have got into hot water before and had to take the hit for it. The example you gave of the councillor who made homophobic remarks is an example of that. Within hours of the story breaking he had issued a personal retraction, probably drafted by HQ, whether he liked or not. We can all think of other such examples.
That’s the discipline that goes with party membership. If people don’t want to subscribe to that then don’t be a member. Anyone can contribute to the fight for independence in their own way as an individual and many people do.
Aye We Can,
I take issue with your 'libertarian streak' comment.
A Libertarian takes responsibility for his or her actions. Personal responsibility is one of the foundation stones of Libertarianism.
Perhaps you are taken in by the hype that us Libertarians are nutters, because we dare to think for ourselves and not let others, ie the state, do our thinking for us.
On the topic of Jeff's post, it's good to see Mark blogging again. He has nothing to lose and a lot to gain. I admit I wasn't a reader of his until a week or so before his 'incident'.
However, the Scottish Blogosphere is filled with snobbery. Particularly the SNP side of it. Some need to look in before they look out.
rab - is said "extreme libertarians". I'd happily define myself as a libertarian, indeed do so on my own blog.
But with any creed, there are some that take things to extremes, indeed ignore the personal responsibility bit you rightly highlight.
To put it bluntly - if you call someone a "c*** " dont be surprised or indeed even complain, if they then act like one
Why is it ok to call someone a 'war criminal with blood on his hands' but not a swear word?
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