The SNP has held its National Council meeting in Perth this weekend and the key quote from the First Minister's speech seems to be this one, according to the BBC:"There is a strong public majority for a referendum, and our job is to translate that public support into a parliamentary majority. "
At present, each of the three London-based parties - Labour, Tory and Liberal - say no, no, no to Scotland, in the same arrogant manner as Margaret Thatcher did. "
That is one reason why the Tories and Liberals are at record lows in the polls, and why Labour are also behind. They are running away from the verdict of the people."
It sounds a little bit, just a little bit, like name calling. Like not getting your own way and then throwing a toy or two out of the pram. Then again, if the majority of the Scottish people are on your side in wishing a referendum then drawing as much attention to this issue is in the party's interests. Mentioning Thatcher, as we can see from the BBC's coverage (not to mention this blog post), is a good way to do that.
The recent IPSOS-Mori poll is a curious beast when it comes to deciding whether there is a majority in favour of independence or not.
25% said: "I believe a referendum should be held as soon as possible" which suggests there's a huge majority against a referendum.
But, a further 50% said: "I believe a referendum should be held in a few years time but it is not a priority at the moment" which suggests that Alex Salmond is absolutely bang on the money in pushing for one in the short term and seeking a parliamentary majority if he doesn't get it.
However, 25% in favour of "as soon as possible" and 75% in favour of "in a few years time" doesn't answer the question of how many people want one next year in 2010. It's good in a way because the SNP knows they are pretty much on the side of public opinion but the unionist parties remain unclear as to whether 25%, 50% or 75% are with them.
Consequently, the SNP should be the main beneficiaries from this issue come 2011 but I just hope the issue is what is debated and it doesn't get lost in claim and counter-claim. The white paper on independence is pretty hazy, let's be honest. Four options but only two or three questions? And that's not to mention the myriad of reasons for why the unionist parties aren't backing it.
It's already beginning to look like the only referendum we're going to get is who is most like Margaret Thatcher.
Recently Alex Salmond was painted as her biggest fan after an Iain Dale interview, now the opposing parties are Tories and Thatcher-ites for not agreeing to a referendum, the SNP will no doubt be 'Tartan Tories' again when Annabel Goldie signs up to Swinney's budget, Labour will be Tories again when the election campaign comes around because of Brown inviting the 'Iron Lady' round for tea but so too will the other parties because voting for them will let in Cameron.
It seems, the lady who was not for turning is for returning and returning.
More interesting information from today's Council meeting, as picked up by Aye We Can, is that Alex Salmond is facing down the negative news stories relating to blogs with these comments:
"The Internet is a wonderful tool. It gives us a means to engage with the public, to motivate activists and to affirm our positive case for Scottish independence.
We must use the Internet for positive campaigns, to build our case and not get engaged in the negative agenda.
The SNP can only win and will only win on a positive agenda"
It is certainly pushing the party in the right direction and certainly helps accurately place the SNP as the positive party in Scotland right now. There can't be many Government Ministers who have to fight with their interviewers to drag the focus of the argument back to policies and substance-based issues. The recent Bernard Ponsonby/Mike Russell Politics Now interview being a case in point.
There's an argument that elections aren't so much about policies and more about tone, which party do I feel an affinity with. A bit like newspapers, we buy the ones that reaffirm who we think we are and how we see ourselves.
If the SNP is setting a tone that it is relentlessly positive, anti-Thatcher and in favour of new technologies such as the internet and i-phone apps, then I reckon those Ipsos-Mori poll figures, weighted or unweighted, will go up and up as May 2010 approaches.
17 comments:
Hi Jeff,
I was at National Council today and I dont recall Alex Salmond saying that - whilst he may well have said that - I dont think it was a key part of the speech though. His speech was excellent today, better than I national conference imo. He did point own the ridiculous support of the other parties on a host a referendums today (labours support for s referendum on more powers for a welsh parliament, gordon brown wanting a referendum on Additonal Member voting system). He also commented on the non-sensical treatment of the scottish press, (especially daily record and the sun) of the recent ipsos mori poll that showed the SNP ahead in both westminster and holyrood voting intentions - attempting to paint it as a poll disaster for the SNP!!!
Best regards
Calum MacLeod
Hi Callum,
thanks for that. Just going by what the media reports. Hopefully the full speech will be up on the party website soon and I'll make the necessary corrections.
Absolutely agree on the Ipsos-MORI thing. There should be a way to complain about such things. Painted as disaster for the SNP when the party's leading in both polls? Which both papers will have known about? One of the papers even posting up the unweighted results?
Crazy.
Sounds like a great springboard for the election to come...!
Hmmm yes, but finally Salmond seems to have grasped that for many Scottish people, Thatcher is some sort of Bogey-person, an anti-scottish figure who destroyed our industries. Its why the name Tartan Tories was like electorial kryptonite for the SNP for most of the 1980's.
Allan, it just seems to have gone on for a very long time this Thatcher-tarring. Surely at some point it'll run out of steam?
I don't mean to be ghoulish about it, but will it only be an election trick while the lady is still alive? Not many people get called a Churchill or a MacMillan or a Keir Hardie.
I guess it has less resonance for me as I was about ten when she stepped down and, as a result, I find it all a little bit time-consuming to be honest.
If it works on those older than I then fair enough, you do what you do to win elections I suppose.
Is it right for Thatcher to urge party members to stay positive while calling all the other party leaders Thatherites? I'm still debating that one both ways in my head to be honest. Worth asking though...
So Mr. Salmond was throwing toys out of his pram? Interesting.
Was it the same when Lord Foulkes compared the FM to Mussolini? Just wondering. =)
You know Jeanne, this is one of those rare occasions I agree with Foulkes, people need to use their sense of humours more, though I can see why an a pology was asked for too, just to give a little kick back the other way. Total non-story though.
A totally different situation to invoking Thatcher too so prams and toys don't apply. And I did say it was only "a toy or two" ;-)
"Absolutely agree on the Ipsos-MORI thing. There should be a way to complain about such things"
There is, of course, the Press Complaints Council, but if ever there was a toothless tiger, then that's it.
Someone is going to blow open the identity of the person behind the Nationalist Mythbusting blog.
This is going to get out of hand.
http://nat-mythbusting.blogspot.com/
Reporters Sans Frontières said...
The outing out of bloggers identity is going to get a lot more interesting when the author of this blog is outed and named.
Wasting time and effort on a notorious blog fueled by self indulgence of grandeur under the cover of ' anonymity ' will be his downfall.
Very interesting parallels with the defence industry in this blog and the small matter of the Intelligence and Security Committee in the Cabinet Office.
Watch this one squeak
I was at National Council today and what you are quoting is incorrect. I know my hearing isn't as good as it was but what you are putting in as a quote is not what he said. He did give a very good speech to National Council though.
Well, I'm confused. The first quote is on the SNP website and the second quote has been backed up by a very good source.
Maybe he was at another event or asked it by a journalist?
We'll find out tomorrow perhaps in the Sundays...
Let's all just be friends!
It looks like the quote in my post is from a party press release but the actual, final speech cut a few lines out.
That's SNP Tactical Voting, always giving you a little bit extra ;)
"Someone is going to blow open the identity of the person behind the Nationalist Mythbusting blog."
Is someone so dim-witted that they think Nationalist Mythbusting is a NATIONALIST blog? *cough cough*
I heard that literacy in Scotland had a problem. I guess so. ;-)
Jeanne Tomlin
You don't get it do you? The person who runs the Nationalist Mythbusting blog is a 'Labour' parliamentarian right here in Scotland, go figure who Tory Bear is having it out with!
Anonymous said...
Someone is going to blow open the identity of the person behind the Nationalist Mythbusting blog.
This is going to get out of hand.
http://nat-mythbusting.blogspot.com/
December 5, 2009 9:00 PM
Posted from an IP address based in Westminster.
Curiouser and curiouser.
"the London-based parties..."? Not that we're anti-English. oh, no, no...
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