After taking a fairly steady stream of flak for posting up polls that showed the SNP on a par with the Tories in Scotland, I decided to wait until a strictly Scottish poll with a sample size of greater than 1,000 came out before talking about polls on here.
I didn't have to wait long.
In the Scotland on Sunday today there is a poll of 1,002 adults conducted by YouGov with Westminster voting intentions as follows:
Labour - 38% (40 seats)
SNP - 21% (7 seats)
Tory - 20% (3 seats)
Lib Dems - 15% (9 seats)
The results are markedly similar to that of the Sun poll that attracted so much derision so I'll say it again, some people need to pull their heads out of the clouds and realise that the SNP charge is hitting the buffers. That doesn't necessarily equate to a slitting of the wrists or a throwing in of the towel as some uncharitably suggest, it's simple realism. I've personally always expected a Tory-Labour squeeze to take place because most people will either decide they don't want Brown so vote in Cameron or, more likely, don't want the Tories in so will rally behind Brown regardless of what the other parties are selling.
That's not to say that Team SNP should sit back and take it. Hopefully there'll be some big campaigns and policy announcements in the weeks and months to come not to mention an 'assault' on the voters by foot and by phone.
Aside from the poll, there was an interesting statistic that only 48% of respondents think that SNP supporters should vote SNP (and in light of my recent Anti-Tory Tactical Voting post, perhaps I'd better not comment!) but that's key to the party's success, changing the mindset that to vote SNP is a wasted vote. However, with Brown and Cameron stealing most of the limelight and constantly hammering all other parties for being too small to deserve a vote (with willing cheerleaders in the Scottish press as we see all too clearly yet again today) it's going to be a very tough battle and there'd be no shame in returning less than 10 MPs and regrouping for May 2011 and the battle for Holyrood.
Now, who would like a helping of humble pie?
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Jeff
Humble pie dully offered.
I am now beginning to understand what it must be like to live Zimbabwe.
"...with willing cheerleaders in the Scottish press as we see all too clearly yet again today..."
I fear any campaign is doomed to fail so long as this situation remains.
How can a country be so blighted by it's press?
Where is the discussion of policy in this 24 hour media age?
Why are intelligent journalists longing for an x factor style election?
Jeff
What's this I heard about the Edinburgh North & Leith holding a meeting on Friday evening to discuss whether or not to deselect Calum Cashley as their candidate?
I'm told that Kenny Macaskill stormed out in fury.
I'm not going to eat humble pie because I simply do not believe that the Tories are running neck and neck with the SNP.
It is just not credible for the simple reason that, since the Tories have no chance whatsoever of success in any but a handful of seats, a vote for them at Westminster is a wasted vote. Electors know that fine well. It may well be the case that in the very few seats where the Tories stand a chance the anti-Labour vote will converge around them but in the vast majority of Scottish constituencies that is simply not happening.
As I've said I am not any kind of expert in polling techniques but I see this is another YouGov poll. The question has to be asked how do they choose the people they survey? Maybe someone can answer that?
PS: Anonymous - what you suggest would be constitutionally incompetent in the SNP and therefore by definition could not have happened.
Indy
Even though I have offered my humble pie I am not at the wrist slitting stage yet. We will have to work a lot harder round the doorsteps however.
Like you I find the fact that the Torys are neck and neck with the SNP very strange. Would be interesting to see what the undecided number is.
Spot on analysis from Jeff as usual!
Fact is that Labour has succeeded in damaging the electoral prospects of the Tory and SNP political parties because of their negative campaigning.
To help them to do this Labour has worked tirelessly for a decade or more planting their own kind as "journalists" and "editors" throughout the media in the UK and In Scotland in particular.
In addition Labour have been particularly successful in Scotland because of their widespread use of bullying, coercion and patronage.This ensures that Labour completely controls the political comment made by most of the Scots media.
Now we have the incredible prospect being put about that Brown might just succeed getting back into Downing Street as Prime Minister after the forthcoming general election.
This general election was always going to lead a polarisation of the vote between those who want Brown out whatever the cost and those who are state dependent one way or another.
Unfortunately the SNP does not fit into consideration as a credible opposition to Labour this time because it is not seen as the most likely party to oust Brown and form a new government of the UK.
I will stick out my neck and say now that still think the Tories will win the general election because the majority of voters will want rid of Brown whatever it costs.
However that does not mean the SNP are finished in any way as a political party, for Holyrood elections are a different matter altogether. The SNP can be successful next year if they can demonstrate to Scots voters that they would be a more effective government than Labour at dealing with the Tories at Westminster.
Anonymous, I don't know about that but I hear that Cathy Jamieson has said to her CLP that Iain Gray will never be able to handle an election and anyway she'd rather be an opposition backbencher in London than a government member in Holyrood under him. Apparently the phrase 'over his dead body' was used, although only in jest. Food for thought.
Considering the rather negative press over the past month and a rather silent SNP it is a bit better than I expected nationally. There is still a chance of a good vote at the UKGE as anyone door knocking will tell you that yes we have a hard time lately but Labour support is soft and just more anti-tory vote than anything rather than pro-Labour. If this poll was accurate Labour are sub 40% and should that drift down a few points it makes them vulnerable to the opposition in different places. There is no uniform voting accross Scotland, each of the parties have their voting strength in different places. THe SNP have only polled more than 22% once, in October 1974, and I still get the impression we are doing far better than 2005.
Opinion polls can be rather inaccurate at times as some dates come to the fore: 18 June 1970, 28 February 1974, 9 April 1992.
I spent a little while reading the anger and panic by some of the Tory posters on PoliticalBetting at the reduction of the Tory lead to 2%, and they are still just in the lead if you believe opinion polls, if they go behind........
Can I recommend a good read - a piece by Joan McAlpine
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article7043847.ece
There are some places in Scotland where the Tories are quite strong. But it's localised and could account for only a handful of seats, it's not a general trend we are looking at.
What we are looking at is an atavistic return to Labour in the face of a potential incoming Tory Govt.
And that should have been anticipated.
The SNP still have a way to go before they are trusted. They have done well since 2007, but not that well, and they made themselves hostages to fortune, or ''events dear boy'', by using the strategy of demonstrating good governance as the way to persuade people that independence was a goer.
They will maybe need to reconsider that strategy, but all will depend on who forms the UK Govt.
The election in 2011 is far more important for the SNP then the GE. So don't be getting too mopey just yet.
Regards to the press: I know very few people who make their minds up on political issues after reading the papers.
Minds are more likely to be made up around the water cooler at work or talking in the pub.
It is up to us all as individuals to seek to persuade people of the validity of our case.
Getting worked up about the media is a waste of time (I need to learn to take my own advice) we should concentrate on winning hearts and minds in daily life.
You might be in luck Jeff - friend quizzed in a Mori poll last week so could there be another one out this week
But it's your own fault. The SNP inability to spin is astonishing. Wendy Alexander was at it again this week in the PDE, bringing up GARL, sowing the anti-Glasgow seed, etc etc. And what to the SNP do this week, why they bring out another draft of the Referendum Bill, when the politically expedient thing to do would be to bring it to parlament, watch it fail, then use it as a stick at the General Election("look at those undemocratic New Labour/Conservitive/Lib Dems depriving you of a vote...")
At least Sturgeon showed some political savy this week with her apology.
Indeed, ipsos mori poll is oUt tonight via the times and it's good news for the snp apparently. Well, better news at least.
Will take great pleasure posting up this evening or in morning.
Where are you getting you info that the IPSOS MORI news is better for the SNP, Jeff? (If you can't say, I, of course, understand!)
As one who has not exactly poured scorn but questioned the validity of recent Sun/YouGov polls, I wil at least concede that on the face of it the poll does appear to be specifically Scottish and therefore does not fall at the first hurdle of analysis.
However, I'll reserve further judgement until I see the detailed tables and see what political weighting Yougov has applied. If it is anything like the Sun subsamples it is going to be seriously skewed towards Labour at the expense of all the other parties but particularly the SNP.
The one thing that raises doubts about this poll to me is the seemingly cliff-like fall in Alex Salmond's popularity. He's been around long enough to p*** off the people he's going to p*** off with his style and I really don't see he has done anything politically to warrant this drop.
There was a man named Salmond
Who promised his people 20 seats
The polls took a turn
Labour's charge made them squirm
And the SNP were healthily beat.
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Dancing to a Scottish Jig, its almost funny now - if it werent painfully deluded.
Careful Politico - he who laughs last and all that.
What do I know that you don't...
I pity bloggers if this comes to pass. Many of the online Nat contingent has a slender enough grip on sanity as it is... this would push them over the edge.
What to note, if I read the parentheses correctly, is the absurd imbalance of percentages against returned seats. Time to have direct elections for the Executive leader.
As for negativity, the school-boyish titter of "Broon and Bust" qualifies.
>> PS: Anonymous - what you suggest would be constitutionally incompetent in the SNP and therefore by definition could not have happened.
That's quite droll.
Fair enough, Jeff. A (small) serving of humble pie it is!
One consolation is that a hung parliament might give the SNP more leverage even as a group of only ten or so, than twenty would get in a parliament with a solid majority.
Sorry, but call it delusion if you like, but I really don't see the SNP support having fallen that high, given all else…
I suspect this is yet another flawed YouGov poll. Their weighting in Scotland-only polls is still suspect, much as their polls in general seem to over-inflate Labour and the Tories…
IPSOS-MORI, now they I listen to…
And lo and behold, the IPSOS-MORI poll has us slightly down from 34% to a paltry 32%, with Labour sadly on 34%.
About what I thought. We're seeing a slight squeeze due to all the media attention on Labour and the tories, and also due to the biassed media coverage over "lunchgate" and other nonsense….
More than enough time for a bit of a bounce, I hope.
In any case, it's the marginals that will matter in this election. I know we are targeting a lot of marginal constituencies, and hopefully this wlil mean we actually get a fair share of the seats, instead of Labour getting a completely disproportionate share again...
Ooops, forgot the link:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article7044719.ece
Might add, the 4% reversal is still within the margin of error, but I'll accept it's probably about right.
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