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Monday, February 1, 2010

Tory MPs want to cut Scottish subsidy

Here's a question - Which is the most fractured party in the UK right now?

The Lib Dems? A couple of stooshies over a mansion tax and whether to be liberal and democratic enough to hold an independence referendum does not alter the fact that it's a fairly cosy club.

The SNP? One defecting (possibly even defective) councillor who was due to face disciplinary charges does not take away from the very tight ship that the SNP enjoys sailing at the moment.

The Greens? Not likely. The energy and team spirit at its base could power a large town.

Labour? You know, even with constant media-fuelled chatter of leadership battles you've got to think if it's fallen to Geoff Hoon to rabble and rouse then there is a danger of pre-election harmony breaking out across the party. Regrettably.

So that leaves the Tories.

David Cameron may well have smothered his party with attractive frosty icing but most people know that the party's leader is merely hiding chunks, cracks and undercooked elements buried not so deep within and spread across the whole spectrum of the party. Deep divides will no doubt spill out after the election, regardless of whether the members manage to hold together long enough to stagger over the finish line. How the cake crumbles on the EU, on schools, on Scotland, on breaking up banks and on the NHS will be interesting to behold.

And we have a clue today how one area might go as a majority of the Tory party's MPs is advocating Scotland has its share of public spending decreased as concluded in a report from the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR). This will clearly play into the SNP's hands while they are the Scottish Government and if there are only a handful of Tory MPs north of the border.

Now, let me just say that the debate over who is cutting the money the most has been desperately disappointing. The UK Government not having enough money to spend because of the 'global' recession, the Scottish Government not having enough money to spend because of the UK Government, councils not having enough money to spend because of the Scottish Government, schools not having enough money to spend because of councils etc etc. If we could all have agreed that we're all skint on day 1 then we might have saved ourselves a lot of time.

However, that said, the call from Tory MPs to Cameron to cut Scotland's spending is a total blunder, even if Scotland gets paid too much. I daresay there is an element in the Tory party who understand the trickly political terrain north of the border and I daresay they let out a long sigh when they read the Telegraph story.

While recovering from a recession and with unemployment still high, it's probably not the best idea to have the deepest cuts in a more socialist part of the country that, in the main, didn't vote for you.

The Tories should bite the bullet and campaign on full fiscal autonomy for Scotland. Such a policy surely sits at the core of conservative values; that is, no spending without responsibility for raising that money and it would surely bind the party together and save Cameron at least some effort in smoothing over the cracks with his PR skills.

14 comments:

Stuart Dickson said...

Analysis of the IPPR poll by Michael Kenny, a Professor of Politics at the University of Sheffield and an Associate of the IPPR, and Guy Lodge, an Associate Director at the IPPR:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/7105220/Analysis-English-question-would-haunt-David-Camerons-government.html

oldnat said...

I used to pick up links to your new threads via Politics Home, but not this time. Have you been declared persona non grata by Lord Ashcroft in their new structure?

Thanks for the link Stuart.

Jeff said...

Yep, looks like I've been bumped off after a freshen up Oldnat, well spotted. It seems they are focussing on Tory/Labour/Lib Dem blogs only.

Ah well, it was fun while it lasted and I never knew how I staggered onto that list anyway. I do hope Mr Macnumpty managed to cling on though; Will seems to suffer from many not realising his site is pro-SNP. Would be interesting to see what he was mistaken as out of the other 3 parties...!


PS Thanks for the link Stuart. I was going to add to the post that I think English MPs voting on English laws is a mistake. All MPs should be equal in the House.

Strathturret said...

This stuff is useful at present. Also we need to keep reminding people that the Tories also voted for the Iraq War (in light of Chilcot dominating the air waves).

John said...

The Union of Parliaments saw the dissolution of the English and Scottish Parliaments and the formation of a new United Kingdom Parliament. It was not a few Scots MPs being tacked on to the English Parliament. English MPs for English votes merely gives substance to the reality that the English have always regarded Westminster as the English rather than the UK Parliament. As I see it if it is to be English MPs for English votes then there are two choices. Give Scotland independence or form a devolved English Parliament separate from Westminster. I have to wonder what taxation powers Westminster would devolve to an English parliament?

G. Campbell said...

"Tory MPs want to cut Scottish subsidy"

Could easily be "Labour MPs want to cut Scottish subsidy"

From the IPPR report:

Do you think that the different levels of funding received by Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England are fair/unfair/don’t know

Labour: 50% unfair, 43% fair, 7% don't know

Conservative: 74% unfair, 6% fair, 19% don't know

Lib Dem: 61% unfair, 39% fair

Others: 100% unfair


"The Tories should bite the bullet and campaign on full fiscal autonomy for Scotland."

A majority of the Conservative MPs polled seem to support it.

MPs were asked whether Scotland and Wales should be given tax-raising powers in order to pay for the public services for which they are responsible.

* 42% of MPs agreed with this idea, while 40% disagreed.

* Conservative (55%) and Liberal Democrat MPs (61%) are more supportive of this reform than Labour MPs (30%).


Caveat: only 114 MPs replied to the survey.

http://www.ippr.org.uk/publicationsandreports/

oldnat said...

As to English Votes for English issues - I wholly support it. Anything else is completely undemocratic, and when polled on the issue over 60% of Scots agreed.

The problem, of course, depends on how to achieve that.

Simply altering voting rights for MPs outwith England on certain bills, on the say so of the Speaker, potentially gives rise to legal/political challenge on certain bills.

An English Parliament, effectively means a Federal UK, and the debates over that structure seem likely to reproduce the divisions that led to the Velvert Divorce between Slovakia and Czechia.

Doing nothing will increase English resentment.

Win, win for us I'd suggest.

oldnat said...

Looks like J Arthur has been de-Ranked as well.

That leaves Brian Taylor's galluses as the cutting edge of Scottish political blogging - as far as UK journos will know.

redcliffe62 said...

Did not see you had covered this when i touched on it on political betting.
My sentiments are a bit more McBride like; the Tories are vulnerable and anything to show they remain anglo-centric can be used in evidence against them.

If the tory vote falls then the option becomes libs or SNP for many who are inherently conservative but sad that a scottish conservative voice is usurped, missing presumed swallowed up by greater numbers from "doon sooth".

This will play well with the English in the Home counties, where they need to gain tneir seats from.

Dave said...

It is interesting that the Same Tory MPs who so believe in English votes for English Issues also believe they have the right to dictate what Tax raising powers Scotland has.


Surely they should refuse to have a position?

It all boils down to Scotland being viewed as subordinate.

They are also very fond of looking at public spending but never talk of revenue.

They also forget Scotland is is allocated spending as a region and must be compared to other UK spending regions in order to be impartial.

They also forget that due to the unfair Barnett system that they implemented, public spending decisions in England, should have spending impacts 'consequentials' elsewhere. Based on THEIR system.


What a mess it is. The blinkered self interest of Many MPs are going to open a can of worms, they just can't help themselves.

Jeff said...

Oldnat, you'll hopefully be pleased to know that my last post there has had a good few hits from one Politics Home. Nice to know my persona non grastatus was shortlived and genuine thanks for the concern!

Jeff said...

Haha, that must have been it! Good thinking.

Allan said...

No, really. I am absolutely shocked that the tories would want to cut the Scottish bloc grant (remember, subsidy play's into Daily Mail hands, jeez sounds as if you're sounding like a Londoner already...)

The Tories can't help themselves, and when they fail to get the 10 seats they believe will be their birthright at the Westminster Election (they'll get 3 at a push...),watch for them trying to punish Scotland for not voting Tory. How dare they the unwashed oik's.

Allan said...

Strathturret.

I mentioned it on my blog about Blair's testemony at the weekend. If memory serves, Duncan Smith was even more pro Iraq and pro Bush than Blair ever was. Am I right in thinking IDS urged Blair to go to war without a second resolution?

http://humbug3.blogspot.com/2010/01/blairs-last-great-performance.html