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Saturday, August 14, 2010

Why I joined the Green Party of England & Wales

In 2007, the last 'real' election that I voted in (sorry Europe), I gave my two votes to the SNP. It was by no means always a certainty but, come polling day, there were plenty of reasons why I wouldn't be thinking twice about where my X was going:


  • a First Minister that looked and sounded tired of his job
  • moving away from Privaced Financed Initiative schemes to a more balanced (and on Balance Sheet) approach

  • implementing free school meals for p1 to p3 kids at schools

  • ensuring no new nuclear power stations were opened in Scotland

  • freshening up the youthful devolution 'adventure' by ensuring that a new party brought some new ideas to Government

  • increased investment in renewable energy


Now I live in England and the SNP won't be on any ballot slips that I hold in my hand in the near to medium future. I also see joining political parties as a community decision that feeds up the chain from street to area to city to county to country rather than a gesture that can cross borders. Put another way, being a member of the SNP would now be as pointless as being a member of the US Democratic party or Swedish Modernitska party or the German Social Democrats, however much I may admire their successes and potential.

So now I am looking around at the options in my new home of Camden, looking for which party to join here. I reckon it is important for democracy that all political parties are vibrant bodies with many members so I can back that belief by joining up with the party active in the local area that most closely fits my beliefs.

The Conservatives are out as I am pretty much diametrically-opposed to most of their policies. The Labour party is not an option until they've decided whether they are dropping 'New Labour' (not to mention the dropping of another generation of Trident as a policy). And the Liberal Democrats are not an option as, honestly, I just don't trust them to hold a consistent position on any given issue other than civil liberties, irrespective of the necessary and understandable compromises that come with coalition Government.

Not that the Green Party was fourth choice in a process of elimination. Taking my reasons for voting SNP in 2007 and noting that the UK is opening up new nuclear power stations, thinks PFI is good value for money and isn't doing enough to ensure kids have a nutritious and food-informed start to life, there was only one party that was getting a look-in for my £5/month once I decided that getting involved with another party was on my to-do list.

Would I have joined the Scottish Green Party if I had stayed in Edinburgh, knowing now what I didn't know about them back in May 2007? The answer to that is somewhere between 'possibly' and 'probably'. Tactical voting is less attractive as you grow older I suppose so chances of winning a constituency take a back seat to the principles at stake. I was happily prepared to help vote the Green Westminster candidate into 4th place here in London if I had been allowed to vote on May 6th and I could have done the same on May 5th 2011.

So with tactical voting out as an option and a member of a different party, 'SNP Tactical Voting' must come to an end, at least in some way. I've always insisted that if you run a party blog then you have a duty to that party to treat it with the utmost respect. This blog, rightly or wrongly, would of course always be seen as an SNP blog so that link must be broken for the requisite respect to be honoured. I'll remain interested in Scottish politics of course, even if I am not part of that street->Government sliding scale.

So changes are on their way for this site, not that I yet know what form they will take. I look forward to being a Green party member though, in whatever capacity I 'blog' going forward. It looks like a fun party to be a part of and, over and above the big issues of the day that leaders must grapple with and solve, being a part of any political party should always be good fun.

27 comments:

Rutherglen Redwing said...

A thoroughly rational explanation (as always) and laudable.

If I were in England, I might do the same.

I wish you well but I hope it won't prevent you commenting -- in as non-partisan way as possible ;) -- on the SNP and Scotland.

Keep us posted.

Hamish said...

Jeff, I for one hope you will continue blogging in some guise.

Since the Green Party in Scotland supports Scottish Independence, I trust the Green Party in England supports English Independence.
I think that increased support for English Independence could be the key to achieving independence here.

Jeff said...

Thanks RR, I took extra care to be as logical as possible with it. Glad the rationale stacks up.

Would only really comment on Scotland and Scottish Politics as the minutiae of Westminster Politics is something I don't understand.

Not sure what's next, we'll see in a week or two but will of course mention any significant changes on here...

Jeff said...

Cheers Hamish, it may well be "in some guise" rather than as now but we'll see.

I don't know what the GPEW policy is on independence and, to be honest, it doesn't hold much interest for me; I didn't think it was a big issue in Scotland and I don't think it's a big issue down here.

The only difference is that in Scotland the issue of independence seems to dominate much of the agenda so a referendum would help nip the issue in the bud and mean Scotland could get on with doing things, be it inside or outside of the UK.

I don't see increased support for English independence taking off any time soon if it means 'UK' influence on the world stage is diminished (as it would be under a split up GB).

Derek Wall said...

welcome on board, I think the GPEW is a little to the left of the SGP, hope you find membership enjoyable and empowering.

Indy said...

"Tactical voting is less attractive as you grow older I suppose so chances of winning a constituency take a back seat to the principles at stake."

With respect Jeff that is a bit of a nutty thing to say.

Constituency seats get you into government (from an SNP point of view) and gets you into a position to put principles into practice.
Practice is just as important as principle even if it means you have to compromise.

From a Green point of view coming 4th in a lot of seats is not going to make any difference. If I lived in England I would join the Greens to - but I would be arguing very strongly that they should be running targeted campaigns to maximise the vote in key constituencies. Aim to come second, if not first. That is how you can make real political progress and have a chance to influence practice as well as being true to your principles.

Jeff said...

Well put Indy and your logic stacks up. I guess all parties have a time in their history when they must decide if they're going to be a 'renegade' party by trying to pick off a few target seats or whether they are going to advance at a slower rate across a broad base.

I daresay the Greens are having that internal debate just now but you're right insomuch that the latter strategy wouldn't have returned Caroline Lucas which probably would have been a bad move given how great it is to have UK's first Green MP.

So, ok, tactical voting still has a place. I guess for me I'd tend to just vote who I want irrespective of where they might finish, something I might not have done in elections gone by.

It'd be interesting to study if tactical voting is more of a young or older person's game or if there's no difference. No idea who you'd go about finding out though!

Jeff said...

Thanks very much Derek; here's hoping so. And I didn't realise GEW is more left of GS, I look forward to finding out in what way.

Good luck for the deputy contest. Looks like it's being held in a productive spirit and healthy manner.

voiceofourown said...

I suppose this was inevitable but I'm still more than a little sad that it's finally come to pass.
I think it says alot for you (and especially for us) that your non-nationalist blog was so popular among nationalists.
Independence is the SNP's raison detre after all.

Happy tree-hugging Jeff - you'll be missed. :)

James Mackenzie said...

I think the GPEW is a little to the left of the SGP
{citation required}

Aside from that, welcome to the global Green family. One major advantage for poll- and election-addicts like you and me is that you have a dog in every race. For instance, Australia: will we win our first every GE-constituency there? Will we get the gains required to hold the balance of power in the Senate?

Anonymous said...

Love their environmentalist side, love their socialist side, hate their separatist side.


Danny, 15, Stirling.

Mike said...

Hi Jeff,

Welcome to GPEW. I think Derek is right, GPEW is a little to the left of SGP, and has an internal grouping called Green Left.

I hope you continue to blog from Camden, which is a next door London borough to Haringey. And thanks for putting our blog on your feeds.

Mike
Haringey Green Party

Jeff said...

True that James. I've been tracking the Greens progress in advance of next month's Swedish elections quite closely.

Mind you, it's a dangerous assumption to assume that all Green parties are one in the same. It's not like the Scottish National Party and British Narional Party have much, if anything, in common!

Jeff said...

Thanks Mike, will try my blogging best.

Funnily enough i'm living in Haringey for the next two weeks and have been for 5 months. I sent a fairly tentative email to Haringey Greens (tentative as I suspected I'd be moving away) but the message must have got lost in the shuffle.

No biggie but it's interesting that 'announcing' a switch to Camden Greens online can lead to more fanfare and even a comment from a Deputy Leader contestant.

Power of new media I suppose!

Mike Shaughnessy said...

Oops!If it was before the election, we must have missed your message because of over work. If after, well, we've been sleeping.

Derek keeps a close eye on politics on-line, in my experience, but your fame is obviously increasing.

Natalie Bennett said...

Welcome to Camden Green Party. We're very pleased to have you on board!

And looking forward to your new blog.

Our next meeting will be on September 1, if you're able to make it. And don't know which part of Camden you're in, but if you fancy some leafletting in Bloomsbury, we're just finishing it off :-)

Jeff said...

Thanks Natalie, will hopefully make it along.

And Bloomsbury? Crikey, that didn't take long! I will be Hampstead-based so the other side of Camden I suppose and I'll also be Cornwall-bound for most of the time up to Sept 1st so will, ahem, 'sadly' have to miss out on jumping straight in activity-wise!

Anonymous said...

Danny, 15.

Nothing like letting blind, irrational, backward looking, parochial, narrow-minded British Unionism cloud your judgement!!

The future of Scotland is internationalism and Global Citizenship. Only by embracing a full, progressive roll as an equal independent member of the global community can Scotland achieve that potential.

The Green Party (along with others) recognises that. Thank goodness.

Anonymous said...

I'm proud to be British, lets have a referendum and watch it fail miserably.



Danny, 15.

Anonymous said...

Danny

I'm proud to be British too. I just happen to recognise that we don't need to be ruled from London to show solidarity and unity with our brothers and sisters in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

The best vision for Scotland's future is as an equal, internationalist and independent country within an interdependent world. A normal country with the normal powers required to efficiently achieve our potential and tackle poverty whilst playing a peaceful and progressive role in the global community.

That positive vision of hope and aspiration is in my opinion infinitely more attractive and rational than the narrow-minded, myopic and romanticised British nationalistic view propagated by many opponents of Scottish internationalism and national equality.

In face of the inherent weakness and unrelenting negativity of the anti-independence argument, I wouldn't be so sure of the referendum "failing miserably".

James Mackenzie said...

Personally I find the ideologues on both sides of the independence debate irritating. I do support independence, but then listening to SNP MSPs pretend it'll be milk and honey puts me off. Following which I listen to Cochranite Unionists and I'm back where I started.

Also irritating: neither the SNP nor Lab/Lib/Con ever give a clear sense of what the benefits of their preferred option would be for, y'know, the people of Scotland.

Hamish said...

Jeff, I'm gutted by your dismissive remarks about Scottish and English independence.

The English were one of the most civilised nations on earth, along with the Chinese and the French.
The Scots were never in that league.

Nonetheless, for better or worse, I am Scottish not English.

What is your problem with accepting the principle enshrined in the United Nations charter that every nation has the right to self-government?

Jeff said...

With you there James. I pretty much switched off the substantive independence debate a while ago. It seems to have become a contest for the sake of it, irrespective of what could or could not be achieved with either option.

Incidentally, if you favour independence but don't believe it'll be milk and honey, does that make you more of a water and doughnuts believer?

Also, some SNP types who kindly got in touch given the above news urged me to keep fighting for independence. I was suprised to learn that I was hitherto doing as much!

Jeff said...

Wow, Hamish, where did that come from? What dismissive remarks?

Independence isn't a big issue for me. That's not "dismissive", just the way it is.

Of course the principle of the right to self-Government applies. I'd be interested to find out where I suggested otherwise...

Stuart said...

When did GPEW members suddenly decide they were more left wing than SGP??

I think this comes from the English political narrative being so right wing that the GPEW sound left wing, because well, they're the only left wing party.

In Scotland the left is a more crowded affair (SSP, parts of SNP and I would argue Scottish Labour is more left than the main Labour Party). So when the media report on political discussions,, the SGP view often goes unreported.

GPEW more left wing than SGP? Prove it.

Anonymous said...

Hi James and Jeff

I'm not an ideologist on independence. My desire for independence is rational, based on weighing up the evidence and concluding that Scotland's best chance to achieve optimal living standards is through full control of our affairs.

Others may conclude otherwise. Fair enough. One thing is for sure however, irrationality and inflexibility from people on either side of the debate will only serve to hinder the inhabitants of Scotland.

G.M. Fewd said...

While I have a great deal of respect for the Greens and hope they continue to grow, some things are holding them back from breaking into the mainstream, first and foremost certain scientific policies. I've added a link to a Guardian article which you should have a look at, now you are a member you can help shift them away from these rather 'eccentric' ideas and into reality!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/apr/29/green-party-science